reohn2 wrote:So no none has anything to give me hope the UK will be better off or even the same after we leave the EU. Why are we doing it then?
Simple. Because a few rich neo-fascists who want to be evn richer played on prejudices and stupidity, pointed to the EU as the source of our troubles (rather than have the finger pointing at themselvse!) and TOLD the gullible and plain racist that leaving "would make everything better". Never underestimate the stupidity of those of low intelligence.
I'm forced to agree and saddened by that gulability,alarmed at the racism and deeply concerned for the future of my children,grandchildren and greatgrandchildren,at the hands of politicians willing to sell their own people into slavery and poverty to increase their own already considerable wealth. I'm truly tired of the UK's stupidity.
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"All we are not stares back at what we are"
W H Auden
I reckon and if it was plausible could you ever imagine changing your mind?
I would change my mind in an instant,if I could see some hope that the whole country and not just the hyper rich blood suckers in it,would benefit. Allow me a small rantette If you will.. We've now had eight years of a government that lead us into this mess that has promises and policies that have failed completely and utterly at EVERY turn,including a current PM who as home secretary promised to reduce immigration to the tens of thousands and is still promising the same but has so far delivered nothing,but amongst many other things managed to put in place a stealth policy to try and exclude the Windrush generation from this country,people who've lived here for 50 years or more,but was found out in her lies,just one disgusting policy of many from Mrs May. The previous PM one Mr Camaron who caĺled the referendum then immediately resigned when it didn't work out as planned,along with chancellor one Mr Osbourne(now employed as a newspaper editor last time I heard) hadn't even the guts to see it through,because they couldn't face the workload These people are failures they're liars and charlatans who care nought for this country or it's people,but only a small section of it,the rich section!
I agree But that's not EU just hypocritical MP's etc, we know the system we live in, you managed not to say tory
NA Thinks Just End 2 End Return + Bivvy - Some day Soon I hope You'll Still Find Me At The Top Of A Hill Please forgive the poor Grammar I blame it on my mobile and phat thinkers.
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi, I agree But that's not EU just hypocritical MP's etc, we know the system we live in, you managed not to say tory
I deliberately didn't as I don't agree with either of the two major political parties on the issue. But one thing's for sure,no party could've ****** thing's up as well as the Tory party are doing,ATM were heading for a no deal brexit and a situation that will leave the UK out in the cold and out on it's ear,whilst Putin and Trump will laughing like a drain at the prospect. You couldn't make it up.
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"All we are not stares back at what we are"
W H Auden
Cunobelin wrote:Fascinating Aida....... Warning about the language at some points
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Excellent! Nowt wrong wi't language, either - totally appropriate given the provocation. Piano's a bit too loud, though.
But you know, it's mildly insulting and entirely in sassenach character not to worry that Hibernians refers to the Irish, not the Scots. There's a football club in Edinburgh called Hibernians and that's about it.
reohn2 wrote:So no none has anything to give me hope the UK will be better off or even the same after we leave the EU. Why are we doing it then?
Simple. Because a few rich neo-fascists who want to be evn richer played on prejudices and stupidity, pointed to the EU as the source of our troubles (rather than have the finger pointing at themselvse!) and TOLD the gullible and plain racist that leaving "would make everything better". Never underestimate the stupidity of those of low intelligence.
I'm forced to agree and saddened by that gulability,alarmed at the racism and deeply concerned for the future of my children,grandchildren and greatgrandchildren,at the hands of politicians willing to sell their own people into slavery and poverty to increase their own already considerable wealth. I'm truly tired of the UK's stupidity.
I worry that this analysis is as simplistic as the one that supporters of brexit are accused of
To an extent yes it is simplistic. There are many reasons WHY the poor and those who are likely to suffer the most did the turkeys at Xmas impression. But then the arguments put forward by those with most to gain from leaving were hardly subtle or deep!
Bonefishblues wrote:I worry that this analysis is as simplistic as the one that supporters of brexit are accused of
Give me an alternative view based on a brexit that works as well if not better than staying in the EU that contradict my rather pessimistic outlook for the UK.
Up the ad I asked the same simple question,no one has answered yet. I've listened to pro brexit politicians and business people and they've not come up with anything positive or concretebut in the main showed themselves up for the lies they've told. The only people in power who are pro brexit are neolibralists who's interests lie in profiteering and sweeping away legislation particularly workers rights legislation and having the market decide ever part of powerless people's lives. What say you?
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"All we are not stares back at what we are"
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So perhaps it would be useful to examine why such ostensibly simplistic arguments found favour? Also why the level of debate was so catastrophically low on both sides.
Crowds tend not be stupid IMHO.
At the same time we could look at Trump's rise, Macron, Berlusconi's rehabilitation, and others.
Bonefishblues wrote:I worry that this analysis is as simplistic as the one that supporters of brexit are accused of
Give me an alternative view based on a brexit that works as well if not better than the staying in the EU to contradict my rather pessimistic outlook for the UK.
Not disagreeing with your pessimism, which I largely share. My post above clarifies.
