** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Cyril Haearn » 22 Dec 2018, 9:28am

mercalia wrote:I dont know if I should believe what the news broadcasters say any more

"The Labour leader insisted that even if his party won a snap general election in the new year, he would seek to go to Brussels and try to secure a better deal – if possible, in time to allow Brexit to go ahead on 29 March."

if true what fanstasy world is he living in?
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If true :wink:
He lives in London Islington :?
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Hobbs1951 » 22 Dec 2018, 10:11am

Cyril Haearn wrote:If true :wink:
He lives in London Islington :?


Islington...you have a problem ?

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Postby reohn2 » 22 Dec 2018, 11:20am

Hobbs1951 wrote:
Cyril Haearn wrote:If true :wink:
He lives in London Islington :?


Islington...you have a problem ?

John.

They don't seem to think so in Islington he's been their mp since Adam was a lad
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Postby 661-Pete » 22 Dec 2018, 11:42am

For my sins I spent most of my working life in the Fire Protection industry. Although my work wasn't directly involved with fire extinguishers as such, I did go through the training, as did all my colleagues. A real eye-opener, and I'd certainly urge all businesses, whether directly involved in fire safety or otherwise (and fire safety is everyone's concern...) to put their employees through likewise. You soon learn a few 'do's and 'don'ts'!

What is most important is that the correct type or types of extinguisher are placed in the locations where they're most likely to be needed. For most environments that generally means a water type, which is the most effective against non-electrical fires involving ordinary material (furnishings, paper, etc.) - and a CO2 type for equipment posing an electrical hazard - e.g. computers.

Other types of extinguisher (foam, dry powder, etc.) are less likely to be encountered except where there is a more specialised hazard like petrol. In which case it is even more imperative that the workforce are properly trained.

Most people should find it easy to distinguish between the two common types, water and CO2, just by their shape. A water extinguisher has a flexible hose, a CO2 has a 'horn' on a swivel arm (n.b. don't touch the horn when setting off a CO2 - it'll freeze your fingers!).

Having the different types in different colours is less important, and in fact counterproductive. Better that people in an emergency look around for something red. And the last thing we want is for, say, an oxygen cylinder in a hospital to be mistaken for an extinguisher! :shock: :shock:
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby RickH » 22 Dec 2018, 12:39pm

661-Pete wrote:What is most important is that the correct type or types of extinguisher are placed in the locations where they're most likely to be needed.

I thought the important rule was that the big, heavy extinguishers need to be located near fire doors so they can be used to prop them open! :shock: :twisted:

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Postby slowster » 22 Dec 2018, 12:43pm

661-Pete wrote:For my sins I spent most of my working life in the Fire Protection industry. Although my work wasn't directly involved with fire extinguishers as such, I did go through the training, as did all my colleagues. A real eye-opener, and I'd certainly urge all businesses, whether directly involved in fire safety or otherwise (and fire safety is everyone's concern...) to put their employees through likewise. You soon learn a few 'do's and 'don'ts'!
What is most important is that the correct type or types of extinguisher are placed in the locations where they're most likely to be needed. For most environments that generally means a water type, which is the most effective against non-electrical fires involving ordinary material (furnishings, paper, etc.) - and a CO2 type for equipment posing an electrical hazard - e.g. computers.

Other types of extinguisher (foam, dry powder, etc.) are less likely to be encountered except where there is a more specialised hazard like petrol. In which case it is even more imperative that the workforce are properly trained.

Most people should find it easy to distinguish between the two common types, water and CO2, just by their shape. A water extinguisher has a flexible hose, a CO2 has a 'horn' on a swivel arm (n.b. don't touch the horn when setting off a CO2 - it'll freeze your fingers!).

Having the different types in different colours is less important, and in fact counterproductive. Better that people in an emergency look around for something red. And the last thing we want is for, say, an oxygen cylinder in a hospital to be mistaken for an extinguisher! :shock: :shock:

Agreed. The fact that the issue of fire extinguisher colour has been cited as an example of flawed EU regulation is illustrative of the weakness and ignorance of some of the arguments put forward against the EU. If you haven't been trained to use fire extinguishers, including hands-on practical training, then in all likelihood it's probably best that you do not attempt to use one: you may easily end up only making things worse by using the wrong extinguisher and/or injuring yourself because you put yourself at unnecessary risk, which potentially will also endanger others who might then have to help you.

If you have been properly trained to use extinguishers, the fact that they are now universally red will be relatively trivial: you will know what types of extinguishers are available, where they are sited, which ones to use for a given situation, and you will also have a better idea of their and your limitations, and when it's best to just get out and leave it for the fire brigade.

It's not unusual to find the wrong type of extinguisher provided in some types of workplace, and it's very common in some workplaces to find that no one knows which type to use or how to use them. As with most aspects of safety management, ignorant ill-informed people make a big fuss about the trivial obvious things they can see, like fire extinguishers. The things that are far more important, like training, good risk assessment and competent staff, require much more skill and expertise to do properly and are much more difficult and costly (but more worthwhile). The ignorant, incompetent and ill-informed cannot do that, so they start box ticking instead and make a fuss about fire extinguishers, which are a last resort and which there is no guarantee anyone will use anyway.

It does not surprise me that posters who support Brexit make a fuss about something like fire extinguisher colour.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Oldjohnw » 22 Dec 2018, 12:56pm

Thanks Merseymouth for being the only person to reply, eventually, to my request for information about how we are run from Europe. We now have the definitive response.

Colour coded fire extinguishers.
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Postby 661-Pete » 22 Dec 2018, 1:15pm

Oldjohnw wrote:Thanks Merseymouth for being the only person to reply, eventually, to my request for information about how we are run from Europe. We now have the divinitive response.

Colour coded fire extinguishers.
And there I go thinking all along, it was "straight bananas"! :lol:

[edit] Mind you, we bought a cucumber today, from Waitrose. And upon examination, it appears to be perfectly straight. Curse these Eurocrats!!!
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Postby merseymouth » 22 Dec 2018, 1:23pm

Hi there, Does anyone know where I can go on a course that teaches me to be as rude as some of the posters?
My upbringing stressing the importance of good manners has ill prepared me for the hostility that Br*x*t has brought about.
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Postby 661-Pete » 22 Dec 2018, 1:27pm

I think they're holding one here. Mind you, the European venue may not appeal to you.
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Postby Debs » 22 Dec 2018, 1:53pm

Oldjohnw wrote:Thanks Merseymouth for being the only person to reply, eventually, to my request for information about how we are run from Europe. We now have the divinitive response.

Colour coded fire extinguishers.


and most thought it was about the colour choice of passports :|

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Oldjohnw » 22 Dec 2018, 2:08pm

Apologies for the predictive spelling of definitive.

There is nothing 'divin- itive' about Brexit.


and most thought it was about the colour choice of passports :|


And, of course, we could have had blue all along if we'd wanted.


And it was Boris who invented the banana nonsense. He was fired from his journalist job in Brussels for making things up. Seems he never learned much from this experience.
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby merseymouth » 22 Dec 2018, 3:03pm

Hi all, Been thinking, I know some folk will say about time to!
But my thought is this - If we sign a take it or leave it deal with Barnier, not a nice thought, will it have to be signed in a railway carriage at Compiegne? IGICB MM

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Oldjohnw » 22 Dec 2018, 3:56pm

Interesting about Compiegne.

Mrs May's deal does seem a bit like surrender. Of course, as full members of the EU we had equal status. The current government seems to wish to give that up in its attemp to secure the Brexit she thinks people voted for.
John