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pete75 wrote:Bonefishblues wrote:pete75 wrote:
Except you just had it.
Somehow I knew you'd be back
And you too
reohn2 wrote:Bonefishblues wrote:reohn2 wrote:That's settled
Please quote me rather more completely - there is some significant context below the part you have selected which is intended to be helpful, and which casts some light on the efficacy of the definition presented for other readers.
I believe I answered all parts of your post.Life is simply too short to have a to-and-fro over that, though, so when one school found a definition in a dictionary he was declared the winner
Other definitions are available for a google search: https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dicti ... ltra-right which support an alternative pov but it's clear that you're happy with where you are, so that's fine
The whole to and fro hinges on the term 'ultra rightwing',we differ on the meaning pete75 posted the meaning in a dictionary which I agree with,though initially didn't seek a dictionary meaning myself,but formulated my opinion more on my life experience,my opinions maybe more extreme than yours and I make no apologies for them.
My opinion is that the current government is a neolibralist capital consortium of selfseeking idiots,headed by an idiot who was manoeuvred into position as a human shield to take the flak,whilst ultra rightwing sinister and evil people of which I'm sure you know who I mean,shuffle themselves in line to take power and consequently the country into disaster for their own ends.
That's the game as I see it being played out currently YVMV mine won't.
Bonefishblues wrote:The phrase is ultra right though, which does have a clear meaning. Italian football clubs have their 'Ultras', as they call themselves, for instance.
Much as our politics may have similar leanings and sympathies, I can't apply that term to JRM and the (totally reprehensible) Daily Mail, or we simply run out of road, as it were, for the true extremists.
horizon wrote:Just to say that while we are discussing the fine points of whatever, Theresa seems to be edging towards getting her deal through next week. It's 50/50 at the moment and that's without a fourth MV which might make it game, set and match.
PDQ Mobile wrote:Re. The last word
The last word is rather important. Because it's the one that the memory retains "freshest".
Not in a simple exchange but rather as a propaganda tool on media.
One to watch out for.
mercalia wrote:horizon wrote:Just to say that while we are discussing the fine points of whatever, Theresa seems to be edging towards getting her deal through next week. It's 50/50 at the moment and that's without a fourth MV which might make it game, set and match.
well if she does that will complete my utter contempt for the lot of them that voted for her
Cugel wrote:pwa wrote:PDQ Mobile wrote:
It's a fair point about Cameron in that he was the status quo I suppose.
I voted for the EU actually.
But Mogg and his views were very prominent in the Leave campaign.
You voted against the EU, against the status quo and for what Rees Mogg had supported.
Or did you think you could have one without the other?
Do we have to play this game? If Mogg supported something I already wanted, I don't care. I didn't get anything from him, Farage or anyone else you can name. You voted for the EU, not for Cameron. I voted against membership of the EU, not for Farage or a bunch of Brexit Tories who I didn't have much regard for. We both voted for ideas.
Too true - we who voted did so in support of "ideas". But not the one or two singular ones oft mentioned hereabouts (and not for any at all, with those who voted only on "my feelings").
When you voted for Remain as portrayed as a simple choice on a ballot paper, you also voted for a huge raft of other ideas that would have come with those politicians who would thereby gain ascendancy if Remain had "won". That would have been Cameron's Tory Party with it's ever-increasing austerity, privatisation and probably the TTIP, inclusive of the protection racket rewards to Big Corp and others with a government contract allowing them to fail then sue the government for their lost profits.
When you voted to Leave, you voted for whatever ideas have in fact emerged from the current chaos which, considering various forecasts, are all likely to result in a dystopia, perhaps even a fascist UK State or it's left-wing equivalent. Perhaps no UK at all, as it fragments into the original kingdoms or even smaller parishes. "Leave" came with as many, and perhaps more, consequential notion-promotions as did Remain, including various degrees of xenophobia up to and including racism; rabid nationalism of the kind often found as precursor to fascism; a desire for revolutionary acts likely to lead to the usual results of revolutions for both "the foreign" and most "native" citizens (death and degradation).
The referendum was a huge political error as it's been an enormous amplifier for all sorts of latent nastiness that might otherwise have remained just latent.
The apparently simple choice of Remain or Leave was never any such thing. Political decisions, especially ones of such moment, never are. And what we chose was also who we chose.
Cugel
mercalia wrote:horizon wrote:Just to say that while we are discussing the fine points of whatever, Theresa seems to be edging towards getting her deal through next week. It's 50/50 at the moment and that's without a fourth MV which might make it game, set and match.
well if she does that will complete my utter contempt for the lot of them that voted for her
mercalia wrote:so there might have to be MEP elections? did we have to vote there I cant remember? If we did maybe we should all BOYCOTT them so NONE get elected to show our displeasure about howthey have all behaved in parliaament? No one is happy with thw way theyu have bvehaved, Brexit-eer or re mainer?
mjr wrote:... The first set of police commissioners were elected in 2012 on a turnout below 16%, a record peacetime low.
