** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Mick F » 28 May 2019, 7:31am

Paulatic wrote:I left school in 1968 they were still a Secondary Modern then. Was sometime in the 70s when things changed
Comprehensive schools as from the late 1960s.

I have a couple of text books with our school stamp on the inside. It says "Shevington County Secondary School".
It was built at the end of the 1950s and was never a Secondary Modern.

The term "Secondary Modern" is a hangover from the schools in those days.
Mrs Mick F professes to have been the Burscough Secondary Modern School. I've proved it to her that it was a County Secondary, but she won't accept it because it was always referred to as Burscough Secondary Modern ................ even though it wasn't.
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Paulatic » 28 May 2019, 7:59am

Mick F wrote:I have a couple of text books with our school stamp on the inside. It says "Shevington County Secondary School".
It was built at the end of the 1950s and was never a Secondary Modern.

Looks like Thomas Eaves thought he was at one too :D
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Mick F » 28 May 2019, 8:10am

This all very much off topic of course. :lol:
1060odd pages of this marathon thread, we can go off at a tangent now and again, I'm sure.




Back on topic.
Listening to R4, it seems that there's at least two ways of interpreting the EU election results.

Some saying Leave won and others saying Remain won.
Goodness knows the truth.
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Paulatic » 28 May 2019, 8:18am

I’ve seen the result described as 38 is the new 52.
I watched tv news last night, probably the first time in a month, not one mention of the Scotland result. Also read that the BBC are saying a lot of the SNP voters are supporters of brexit. Amazing people these journalists.
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Oldjohnw » 28 May 2019, 8:36am

We don't, of course, know how many tory and labour voters were pro/anti Brexit but otherwise the results are:

Brexit 31.7%
UKIP 3.6%

Total 35.3%

LD 18.5%
Green 11.1%
Change 2.9%
SNP 3.3%

Total 35.8% plus Plaid.
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Postby PDQ Mobile » 28 May 2019, 9:01am

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby bovlomov » 28 May 2019, 9:22am

Mick F wrote:Listening to R4, it seems that there's at least two ways of interpreting the EU election results.

Some saying Leave won and others saying Remain won.
Goodness knows the truth.

The only difference is in the moods of the various camps. The result makes no structural difference. There's no change to whatever mandate the referendum provided. It makes no difference to the mandate of Parliament. It makes no difference to our current status within the EU.

The difference in mood might change how things proceed, but I can't see how at the moment. Widdecombe is demanding to be part of the negotiating team - even though she doesn't want any negotiations. Remainers are demanding revocation or another referendum. Tory leadership candidates are demanding more concessions from the EU. Just as before Thursday, no one has a clue what will happen.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Oldjohnw » 28 May 2019, 9:34am

bovlomov wrote:
Mick F wrote:Listening to R4, it seems that there's at least two ways of interpreting the EU election results.

Some saying Leave won and others saying Remain won.
Goodness knows the truth.

The only difference is in the moods of the various camps. The result makes no structural difference. There's no change to whatever mandate the referendum provided. It makes no difference to the mandate of Parliament. It makes no difference to our current status within the EU.

The difference in mood might change how things proceed, but I can't see how at the moment. Widdecombe is demanding to be part of the negotiating team - even though she doesn't want any negotiations. Remainers are demanding revocation or another referendum. Tory leadership candidates are demanding more concessions from the EU. Just as before Thursday, no one has a clue what will happen.



A couple of points:

Widdecombe is not a member of the U.K. Government;
No deal does not require negotiation.
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby bovlomov » 28 May 2019, 9:44am

Oldjohnw wrote:A couple of points:

Widdecombe is not a member of the U.K. Government;
No deal does not require negotiation.

1. Someone needs to tell her that.
2. They are persisting with the idea that they need us more than we need them, and that our No Deal threat will bring them to the table as soon as we jump off the cliff (to mix metaphors). Apparently, the trade negotiations can be completed in an afternoon.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Mick F » 28 May 2019, 9:50am

Mick F wrote:Goodness knows the truth.
You lot seem to know the truth, or at least you think you know the truth.

It all depends on your point of view.
That's what the article on R4 Today programme was saying.
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Postby reohn2 » 28 May 2019, 9:53am

It's incredible,we have an MEP of a one trick pony party thinking she's as a right being involved in negotiating government policy :shock: .
And loonies in the government believing a no deal brexit is best for the country :shock:
All with a backdrop of a change in PM who'll most likely be BoJo or Gove :shock: :shock:

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Postby mjr » 28 May 2019, 9:53am

No deal will require decades of negotiation. The difference is that there'll be no transition period so it'll be a fire sale, negotiated while the UK economy is being hammered by either tariffs and barriers or by foreign dumping exploiting a zero tariff blanket policy. Those advocating putting UK negotiators into such a weak position are either foolish or devious, but then, many of them do idolise a captain who broke her own team's bats before they walked out to take strike...
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby reohn2 » 28 May 2019, 9:59am

Mick F wrote:
Mick F wrote:Goodness knows the truth.
You lot seem to know the truth, or at least you think you know the truth.

It all depends on your point of view.
That's what the article on R4 Today programme was saying.

The truth is the country is split down the middle,whilst manufacturing industry goes to waste or decamps to EU countries or the far east.
It shouldn't matter to Cornwall though as there wasn't much industry there before,however if the country tanks it'll affect tourism and when we leave there'll be no regeneration with EU grants.
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby PDQ Mobile » 28 May 2019, 10:07am

Mick F wrote:
Mick F wrote:Goodness knows the truth.
You lot seem to know the truth, or at least you think you know the truth.

It all depends on your point of view.
That's what the article on R4 Today programme was saying.


This is true:-
Oldjohnw wrote:
Widdecombe is not a member of the U.K. Government;
No deal does not require negotiation.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 28 May 2019, 10:15am

Hi,
The waters just got muddier.
No Deal cliff edge.
Stop leave political suicide.
Tories are saying negotiate a different deal, that's what we've been doing all along, Stalemate.
Labour as per usual won't answer the question, to them it's GE in a vain attempt to grip power, or Let the people decide.

Meanwhile the clock ticks on.
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