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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 9 Jun 2019, 11:27pm
by windmiller
slowster wrote:
windmiller wrote:I hate homework

I don't understand why you refer to it as homework. You should not need to do any research. Given the strength of your views on the EU, you should already know and be able to give examples off the top of your head of EU laws that are harmful and should be repealed. I'm not asking you to do any homework, I'm asking you to answer what should be a fairly easy question for you.

While we are waiting, I'll give my answer to Mick. In general I would say the EU laws that come to my mind as being good examples are those relating to work related health and safety, environmental protection, and consumer protection (things like distance selling regs, flight delay refunds, mobile phone roaming charges etc.). I think the consumer protection ones have been very necessary to offset the growing power of big business, especially large multi-nationals. Without the EU legislating, I think that there would not have been the political will of individual governments to agree to such changes, and I think the transnational nature of many such laws often makes it impossible to make progress without all governments signing up.

My promised example of an EU directive that should not have been made is the one that resulted in the Display Screen Equipment Regulations in the UK. Although work related upper limb disorders associated with working using computers do exist, e.g. carpal tunnel syndrome etc., the extent of the problem probably did not warrant a dedicated set of regulations, and instead it was something which could probably have been adequately addressed by the HSE promoting awareness of the issues generally with information leaflets etc., making sure it was something covered by the recognised H&S training courses and exams, and just using the UK's existing general H&S legislation requirement to provide safe work equipment, proper training etc. for enforcement where companies clearly were not taking adequate precautions for workers sat at computers.


By God Why didn't I think of those things. I'm sure if we never joined the EU back in the 70's nobody in the UK would have ever thought of them either. Lucky we joined the EU in time so they could think of them so we would never have to.
And another thing, what the hell were those EU nannies thinking of, imagining that we thought sitting on ones buttocks while gawking at blue light for at least 8 hours a day was a great idea.
I just knew the bendy banana crime law was an urban myth, nobody is that stoopid.
Secure National Borders? that old chesnut - who needs them, you can't leave your house doors open like you did in the old days but the EU knows best and they would only allow the finest people to gate crash another country.
keep your home bolted like Fort knox at night but your national borders wide open, makes sense to me.

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 9 Jun 2019, 11:38pm
by PDQ Mobile
Our National borders are not "wide open" in any sense.
There are people that have the right to cross them but they are subject to normal passport checks. And we share info across borders and countries.
Did you not know?
Do you never travel?

As for locking doors etc, if you can be bothered to look, the aspect of criminality has come up on here before.
The statistics show that EU citizens in the UK are less likely to be in prison than UK citizens in terms of percentage of the relative populations.

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 10 Jun 2019, 12:10am
by windmiller
PDQ Mobile wrote:Our National borders are not "wide open" in any sense.
There are people that have the right to cross them but they are subject to normal passport checks. And we share info across borders and countries.
Did you not know?
Do you never travel?

As for locking doors etc, if you can be bothered to look, the aspect of criminality has come up on here before.
The statistics show that EU citizens in the UK are less likely to be in prison than UK citizens in terms of percentage of the relative populations.

Yes our borders are not wide open, silly me.
I suppose they were closed to these fine fellows of humanity.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-englan ... e-mansions

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 10 Jun 2019, 12:23am
by pete75
al_yrpal wrote:Not my pals Pete. Never voted for either.

Who are yours?

Al


Of course they're not your pals. My mistake - I should have realised you're most likely a Tommy Robinson fanboy....

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 10 Jun 2019, 7:58am
by merseymouth
Hello Pete75, That was more than a bit naughty labelling "Al" as a "Tommy Robinson Fanboy"! Self moderation along with self modesty would be great additions to your life.
I think if you don't address such issues then the "Mods" that parked me up should take a hard look at your posting? MM

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 10 Jun 2019, 8:27am
by al_yrpal
pete75 wrote:
al_yrpal wrote:Not my pals Pete. Never voted for either.

Who are yours?

Al


Of course they're not your pals. My mistake - I should have realised you're most likely a Tommy Robinson fanboy....


Quite ridiculous Pete. Your childish behavior is pathetic. Grow up... :lol:

Al

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 10 Jun 2019, 8:29am
by francovendee
Mick F wrote:
al_yrpal wrote:Tories who fudged Brexit should be very worried.
Buggered up, more like.
It was the prospect of the Tories splitting and falling apart that started it.

People like me, were just people who preferred to be out than in.
They shouldn't have asked if they didn't like the answer.


For the first time in this thread I agree with you.
Brexit was always about the rift within the Tory party. What Cameron never understood was what the rest of the country thought and the outcome shocked him and Farage and Co.

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 10 Jun 2019, 8:41am
by georgew
Now......I'm aware that things look pretty bad what with all this populist madness going on and the complete breakdown of our Parliamentary system which is happening before our very eyes.....but take heart as there's a silver lining ahead, for some of us anyway. Scotland has now looked at what's going on down south, is aghast at the self-seeking opportunists involved in the present struggle for the Tory leadership contest as well as the spineless and incompetent Labour Party, and has decided it wants none of it. So it does look like an independent Scotland may well be on the cards......not that it appears to matter to the majority of posters in this forum, who seem uninclined to lift their eyes from what's happening in England to the exclusion of all else.

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 10 Jun 2019, 8:52am
by merseymouth
Hi Georgew, So yet again the "Independent Scotland" cry goes up! But think on the next possibility, Independence for Orkney and Shetland?
I seem to recall that they were not members of the "Nicola Sturgeon Fan Club"!
Remember there are buy out clauses in their contract :roll: TTFN MM

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 10 Jun 2019, 8:52am
by Mick F
francovendee wrote:For the first time in this thread I agree with you.
Great! :D :D

I do have some redeeming features then eh?

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 10 Jun 2019, 9:00am
by Mick F
merseymouth wrote:Hi Georgew, So yet again the "Independent Scotland" cry goes up! But think on the next possibility, Independence for Orkney and Shetland?
I seem to recall that they were not members of the "Nicola Sturgeon Fan Club"!
When we were living in Scotland in the 70s, there was a Scottish referendum about independence or something. We didn't take much notice TBH.

What I do remember, that the majority of Shetlanders refused to vote, as they didn't consider themselves Scottish. The place is supposedly "owned" by Scotland, but it isn't Scottish.

In fact, Shetland still belongs to Denmark as the Scottish king never paid for it. Something to do with a dowry and the Danish king gave them Shetland requiring the debt to be paid, but it never was. I have been told in detail about this by a historian we know, but I've forgotten the details.

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 10 Jun 2019, 9:12am
by Oldjohnw
Mick F wrote:
francovendee wrote:For the first time in this thread I agree with you.
Great! :D :D

I do have some redeeming features then eh?


I suspect that until the run-up to the 2016 referendum most people largely thought like Mick: preferred out but not that bothered. Or preferred in but not that bothered.

But a number among the Tories still longed for Empire and pounds and ounces and the £ and got increasingly agitated, resorting to extreme views, hyperbole and even lies as they fought out their battles.

Then what was once private grief started to be a public battle and Cameron made the rest history. Well done, Tories. You took your private arguments and bitterly divided a country which previously had largely just got on with their lives.

And wherever will it end?

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 10 Jun 2019, 9:15am
by al_yrpal
georgew wrote:Now......I'm aware that things look pretty bad what with all this populist madness going on and the complete breakdown of our Parliamentary system which is happening before our very eyes.....but take heart as there's a silver lining ahead, for some of us anyway. Scotland has now looked at what's going on down south, is aghast at the self-seeking opportunists involved in the present struggle for the Tory leadership contest as well as the spineless and incompetent Labour Party, and has decided it wants none of it. So it does look like an independent Scotland may well be on the cards......not that it appears to matter to the majority of posters in this forum, who seem uninclined to lift their eyes from what's happening in England to the exclusion of all else.


George, some of us do keep an eye on Scotland. It would be a shame to break up IMO, but, thats totally up to the Scots. Hopefully if the Parliamentary System does collapse something better will rise from the ashes.

Al

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 10 Jun 2019, 9:22am
by pete75
al_yrpal wrote:
pete75 wrote:
al_yrpal wrote:Not my pals Pete. Never voted for either.

Who are yours?

Al


Of course they're not your pals. My mistake - I should have realised you're most likely a Tommy Robinson fanboy....


Quite ridiculous Pete. Your childish behavior is pathetic. Grow up... :lol:

Al


You describe people with fairly mainstream social democratic views as hard left or far left. To consider such people so you need to have views pretty much on the Robinson side of the spectrum. What I said is accurate not childish. It's somewhat pathetic that your silly little jibe is all you can come up with.

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 10 Jun 2019, 9:26am
by pete75
merseymouth wrote:Hello Pete75, That was more than a bit naughty labelling "Al" as a "Tommy Robinson Fanboy"! Self moderation along with self modesty would be great additions to your life.
I think if you don't address such issues then the "Mods" that parked me up should take a hard look at your posting? MM


Mathew 7:5 " Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."