PDQ Mobile wrote:Andrec.
How dare you suggest that I am not a patriot.
I am and I carry the scars to prove it.
I am a British citizen and an EU citizen.
I wish to retain the right of abode In both those places.
I have that right and you may not suggest that I leave the UK because of my political view.
It smacks of something very unpleasant and unBritish.
I want the best for the UK.
I believe leaving does not provide that.
We are still waiting for a citation from you of any bad law forced upon us by Brussels.
The dislike based on a pretense that we're somehow subject to laws invented and impose entirely by foreigners is just a cover for not liking foreigners. There are no such foreign-imposed laws but only those agreed between EU members including Britain. In fact, out of the EU we will
be subject to laws imposed by foreigners if we want to trade with them, with no British say in those laws.
Xenophobia is a British tradition, exhibiting and manifesting in various forms over the last two centuries. Jingo still lives. Many in Britain have lost such attitudes but these attitudes also fester on in those who lack any sense of self-worth and must obtain it by belonging to some imaginary "patriotic" group of those who dislike or even hate foreigners on principle as "not like us". When examined, such people are often not really, themselves, like anything at all - other than the latest bilious editorial of some rabble-rousing newspap. Their "Britishness" is a nothing more than a shallow construct of the gutter press.
Like you, I feel that adding some constituents of European cultures to my British cultural makeup is an enhancement, not a replacement. Many of those wishing to leave to EU are afraid of a bogeyman - an imaginary subjugation to imaginary evil foreigners plotting to somehow delete Britishness. Personally I feel these bogey-frightened people are deluded fools and give their bleatings the appropriate credence and value.
But let a leaver make a good case against continuing EU membership, based in reality rather than a churning xenophobia full of imaginary plots by Germans and Frenchmen, and I'm very open to persuasion. The EU certainly has many aspects I dislike on policy grounds - too neoliberal and not green enough, for example. But a Tory neolib Britain or a puny state subjugated by the likes of Trump seems far, far worse a prospect than an EU that's at least open to amendment and change for the better.