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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 17 Aug 2019, 4:42pm
by kwackers
Mick F wrote:Maybe the prospect of leaving the EU was the final nail, but it's been going downhill for a while.

There weren't meant to be any final nails, it was all sunny uplands!

Seems to me we've had so many "final nails" over the past couple of years you'd have thought we could have kept a steel factory in business making them.

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 17 Aug 2019, 4:47pm
by Mike Sales
kwackers wrote:
Mick F wrote:Maybe the prospect of leaving the EU was the final nail, but it's been going downhill for a while.

There weren't meant to be any final nails, it was all sunny uplands!

Seems to me we've had so many "final nails" over the past couple of years you'd have thought we could have kept a steel factory in business making them.


And of course, unlike global steel competition and Trump's trade war, Brexit is self inflicted.

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 17 Aug 2019, 6:21pm
by Psamathe
You'd have hoped that after Jo Cox's murder that MPs would be a bit more careful about the language they use and the inferences they make. So language like "collaboration" seems rather inappropriate (particularly from the Prime Minister).

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-death-threats-dominic-grieve-no-deal-brexit-second-referendum-a9063576.html wrote:Tory MP accuses Boris Johnson of causing death threats against him in damning condemnation of ‘demagogue’ prime minister

A Conservative MP has accused Boris Johnson of putting his life at risk because his “tub-thumping populism” over Brexit has triggered death threats against him.

In an extraordinary criticism, Dominic Grieve said the prime minister was “behaving like a demagogue” – arguing it led directly to “vile” and menacing messages from members of the public.

Another example of Boris not thinking things through?

Ian

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 17 Aug 2019, 6:48pm
by 661-Pete
Bojo disgusts me. He has brought this country closer to civil war than any time since 1651.

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 17 Aug 2019, 8:01pm
by Cunobelin
661-Pete wrote:Bojo disgusts me. He has brought this country closer to civil war than any time since 1651.


About the last time, someone disbanded Parliament to get their own way

Also a move very popular with the extreme Right Wing for whom Cromwell is something of a hero

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Street Violence

Posted: 17 Aug 2019, 8:26pm
by 661-Pete
..and as if we didn't need any more evidence of how nasty the whole business is getting: :evil:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... pub-london
Of course it isn't proved that this was a far-right inspired hate crime, but the evidence points to it.

Owen Jones's only 'crime' is that of being a confirmed left-winger and anti-Brexit journalist. Are all others who speak out going to get the same treament?

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Street Violence

Posted: 17 Aug 2019, 8:45pm
by Mike Sales
661-Pete wrote:..and as if we didn't need any more evidence of how nasty the whole business is getting: :evil:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... pub-london
Of course it isn't proved that this was a far-right inspired hate crime, but the evidence points to it.

Owen Jones's only 'crime' is that of being a confirmed left-winger and anti-Brexit journalist. Are all others who speak out going to get the same treament?


This is reminiscent of Thirties Germany.

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Street Violence

Posted: 17 Aug 2019, 8:52pm
by bovlomov
661-Pete wrote:..and as if we didn't need any more evidence of how nasty the whole business is getting: :evil:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... pub-london
Of course it isn't proved that this was a far-right inspired hate crime, but the evidence points to it.

Owen Jones's only 'crime' is that of being a confirmed left-winger and anti-Brexit journalist. Are all others who speak out going to get the same treament?

I'm not sure that Jones should be described as simply an 'anti-Brexit journalist'. He has spent a lot of time arguing that the referendum should be respected - and provoked a lot of remainy criticism for his trouble. If it was a targeted attack, it could have been for his sexuality, his politics, or for the newspaper that employs him.

It's likely the perpetrators couldn't articulate exactly what they find offensive about him - at least if they are anything like the group who targeted the socialist bookshop. In that case, they filmed themselves struggling to comprehend the titles in stock and thinking of how the contents might be disgusting (displaying a worrying obsession with paedophilia). The world must be a bewildering place for them.

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Street Violence

Posted: 18 Aug 2019, 7:43am
by roubaixtuesday
Mike Sales wrote:
661-Pete wrote:..and as if we didn't need any more evidence of how nasty the whole business is getting: :evil:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... pub-london
Of course it isn't proved that this was a far-right inspired hate crime, but the evidence points to it.

Owen Jones's only 'crime' is that of being a confirmed left-winger and anti-Brexit journalist. Are all others who speak out going to get the same treament?


This is reminiscent of Thirties Germany.


Johnson has form for conspiracy against journalists.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ds-apology

IMO he sees people like Jones being beaten up as a result of his inflammatory and divisive rhetoric as a feature, not a bug.

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 18 Aug 2019, 8:47am
by Cunobelin
kwackers wrote:
Mick F wrote:Maybe the prospect of leaving the EU was the final nail, but it's been going downhill for a while.

There weren't meant to be any final nails, it was all sunny uplands!

Seems to me we've had so many "final nails" over the past couple of years you'd have thought we could have kept a steel factory in business making them.



We were also promised :

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 18 Aug 2019, 8:55am
by mercalia
seems like the only people who will be seriously affected by Brexit food wise are the drinkers?

eu imports.JPG
Food Imports fromt the EU


But I suppose cheap Dutch pork will end?

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 18 Aug 2019, 9:15am
by roubaixtuesday
mercalia wrote:seems like the only people who will be seriously affected by Brexit food wise are the drinkers?

eu imports.JPG

But I suppose cheap Dutch pork will end?


Could you provide a link for your source and explain what the percentages are of please?

Otherwise they're just random numbers.

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 18 Aug 2019, 9:38am
by stu1102

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 18 Aug 2019, 9:40am
by stu1102
mercalia wrote:seems like the only people who will be seriously affected by Brexit food wise are the drinkers?

eu imports.JPG

But I suppose cheap Dutch pork will end?



Here is the full link https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47470864

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 18 Aug 2019, 9:59am
by mercalia
roubaixtuesday wrote:
mercalia wrote:seems like the only people who will be seriously affected by Brexit food wise are the drinkers?

eu imports.JPG

But I suppose cheap Dutch pork will end?


Could you provide a link for your source and explain what the percentages are of please?

Otherwise they're just random numbers.



here the BBC News website - 10 Ways Brexit may affect you
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47470864