** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby mercalia » 22 Aug 2019, 8:38pm

Icelands answer to the problem of Brexit?

Temporary EEA membership is the best route out of Europe
David Gunnlaugsson is a former prime minister of Iceland.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/why ... =predicted

seems to be worth a look?

The exPM of Iceland suggests it would be a temporary matter, whilest the UK sorted things out, but unlike the backstop we could leave at any time of our choosing?

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby bovlomov » 22 Aug 2019, 8:56pm

mercalia wrote:Icelands answer to the problem of Brexit?

Temporary EEA membership is the best route out of Europe
David Gunnlaugsson is a former prime minister of Iceland.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/why ... =predicted

seems to be worth a look?

The exPM of Iceland suggests it would be a temporary matter, whilest the UK sorted things out, but unlike the backstop we could leave at any time of our choosing?

Temporary EEA membership was ruled out by Rees Mogg and the ERG. Or perhaps they've changed their minds. They do that, you know.

May's main fault was pandering to that bunch of nutters. Who knows what they want. They only ever say what they don't want.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby pete75 » 22 Aug 2019, 9:17pm

mercalia wrote:Icelands answer to the problem of Brexit?

Temporary EEA membership is the best route out of Europe
David Gunnlaugsson is a former prime minister of Iceland.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/why ... =predicted

seems to be worth a look?

The exPM of Iceland suggests it would be a temporary matter, whilest the UK sorted things out, but unlike the backstop we could leave at any time of our choosing?


As I said to you up thread the backstop is irrelevant because we will be leaving without a deal. Once you realise that you can stop obsessing about it.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby 661-Pete » 22 Aug 2019, 9:29pm

mercalia wrote:Icelands answer to the problem of Brexit?

Temporary EEA membership is the best route out of Europe
David Gunnlaugsson is a former prime minister of Iceland.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/why ... =predicted

seems to be worth a look?

The exPM of Iceland suggests it would be a temporary matter, whilest the UK sorted things out, but unlike the backstop we could leave at any time of our choosing?
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby roubaixtuesday » 23 Aug 2019, 8:23am

mercalia wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:
mercalia wrote:
Yet again no it isnt. If it was a conncession they would say fine drop the backstop. will they ? not on your nelly!


Whether you regard it as a concession isn't the issue. It is a concession. Have a read.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org. ... d-backstop

The two sides reached agreement on a draft Withdrawal Agreement in November 2018, which included a Protocol on Northern Ireland setting out the backstop. The EU made a significant concession in granting a UK-wide ‘single customs territory’, avoiding the need for customs checks between Great Britain and Northern Ireland, while the requirement for regulatory alignment is limited to Northern Ireland.


yes the conncession was to the WHOLE UK WIDE backstop , NOT THE ORIGINAL Northern Ireland only backstop. BOTH are unacceptable is Boris' claim. Not much of a concession really, since it ties the hands of the UK to make deals with other countries is the claim? or does it? What does the "single customs territory" imply we can or cannot do? And it still means the north dont have a say in the rules it has to follow? its a damp squib. I give you a bar of chocolate that is past its sell by date. Presumably should we get a trade deal with the yanks we couldnt send any of Trumps Chicken to the north? so much for the "single customs territory", or does the regulatory alignment only apply when it comes to Irish exports ( to the EU)? In which case why the need for a backstop at all? Trust the UK not to send Trumps Chicken to the EU?


Well, there's obviously too many questions there to sensibly engage with. let's just note:

Institute for Government "a significant concession"
mercalia: "not much of a concession really"

Forgive me, but I'll stick with the Institute for Government, thanks all the same.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby kwackers » 23 Aug 2019, 9:45am

roubaixtuesday wrote:
kwackers wrote:Sorry, that's daft.
Why should they give anything up? It's our mess, we're the stupid ones. We're the ones with conflicting wants who can't make their minds up which is more important.

As I said above, I'd tell us to f off and in no uncertain terms.
Merkel looks to be getting cold feet as the potential costs bite but I reckon Macron will give us short shrift later.


Merkel exactly restated the EU position, just in diplomatic terms.

Withdrawal agreement is fixed, changes to the political declaration are possible.

I've since read the actual transcript of what was said.

I'm shocked and amazed by how what she said was interpreted the way it was - by pretty much every rag/website in the UK too!
(Well, not really but we really are desperate aren't we?)

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby al_yrpal » 23 Aug 2019, 11:56am

"Wir schaffen das" is what the lady said. The Parisian Barney Rubble will have to shuffle into line eventually. :lol: Now they know we are serious about no deal a deal will be done.sooner or later.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby mercalia » 23 Aug 2019, 11:58am

bovlomov wrote:
mercalia wrote:Icelands answer to the problem of Brexit?

Temporary EEA membership is the best route out of Europe
David Gunnlaugsson is a former prime minister of Iceland.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/why ... =predicted

seems to be worth a look?

The exPM of Iceland suggests it would be a temporary matter, whilest the UK sorted things out, but unlike the backstop we could leave at any time of our choosing?

Temporary EEA membership was ruled out by Rees Mogg and the ERG. Or perhaps they've changed their minds. They do that, you know.

May's main fault was pandering to that bunch of nutters. Who knows what they want. They only ever say what they don't want.



Well the interesting thought was that it would be temporary

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby bovlomov » 23 Aug 2019, 12:21pm

mercalia wrote:Well the interesting thought was that it would be temporary

Yes, and even a temporary arrangement was seen by ERG types as a betrayal.

By the way, wouldn't that also depend on the agreement of existing member countries? With ministers bragging about ways that the UK can renege on its duties, cooperation shouldn't be assumed.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby roubaixtuesday » 23 Aug 2019, 12:51pm

al_yrpal wrote:"Wir schaffen das" is what the lady said. The Parisian Barney Rubble will have to shuffle into line eventually. :lol: Now they know we are serious about no deal a deal will be done.sooner or later.

Al


The current efforts are not to get a deal, but to try and ensure the other side gets the blame whilst appearing to be trying to get a deal.

As your post shows, this can be very effective.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Psamathe » 23 Aug 2019, 12:58pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/aug/23/brexit-latest-news-tories-tell-boris-johnson-backstop-is-not-only-problem-with-withdrawal-agreement-live-news wrote:Brexiter Tories tell Boris Johnson backstop is not only problem with withdrawal agreement
...
...even if Johnson were to find an alternative to the backstop acceptable to the EU, Tory Brexiters are telling him that that would not be enough to persuade them to vote for the withdrawal agreement because there are other aspects of it that they want to change.

(near the bottom of the "live news" page)

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby al_yrpal » 23 Aug 2019, 1:09pm

roubaixtuesday wrote:
al_yrpal wrote:"Wir schaffen das" is what the lady said. The Parisian Barney Rubble will have to shuffle into line eventually. :lol: Now they know we are serious about no deal a deal will be done.sooner or later.

Al


The current efforts are not to get a deal, but to try and ensure the other side gets the blame whilst appearing to be trying to get a deal.

As your post shows, this can be very effective.


That assertion is just plain rubbish, not based on fact and awash with self interest from someone who has decided to live in the Superstate. Yes, if Barney digs his toes in when with goodwill a deal can be done he will share the blame. The vast majority of French people think he is a dead loss anyway. I wonder why. Ask the yellow vests..

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby roubaixtuesday » 23 Aug 2019, 1:14pm

al_yrpal wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:
al_yrpal wrote:"Wir schaffen das" is what the lady said. The Parisian Barney Rubble will have to shuffle into line eventually. :lol: Now they know we are serious about no deal a deal will be done.sooner or later.

Al


The current efforts are not to get a deal, but to try and ensure the other side gets the blame whilst appearing to be trying to get a deal.

As your post shows, this can be very effective.


That assertion is just plain rubbish, not based on fact and awash with self interest from someone who has decided to live in the Superstate. Yes, if Barney digs his toes in when with goodwill a deal can be done he will share the blame. The vast majority of French people think he is a dead loss anyway. I wonder why. Ask the yellow vests..

Al


" awash with self interest from someone who has decided to live in the Superstate."

You're funny.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby pete75 » 23 Aug 2019, 1:17pm

al_yrpal wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:
al_yrpal wrote:"Wir schaffen das" is what the lady said. The Parisian Barney Rubble will have to shuffle into line eventually. :lol: Now they know we are serious about no deal a deal will be done.sooner or later.

Al


The current efforts are not to get a deal, but to try and ensure the other side gets the blame whilst appearing to be trying to get a deal.

As your post shows, this can be very effective.


That assertion is just plain rubbish, not based on fact and awash with self interest from someone who has decided to live in the Superstate. Yes, if Barney digs his toes in when with goodwill a deal can be done he will share the blame. The vast majority of French people think he is a dead loss anyway. I wonder why. Ask the yellow vests..

Al

The vast majority of British people think Johnson is a dead loss too.

Why can't you realise that anything bad resulting from Brexit will be entirely the fault of the UK. It was a voluntary decision to leave.
Why are you now so keen on a deal anyway? Perhaps you're starting to have a realistic view of Brexit and realise it's more than likely to cause great harm to the UK. Bit late for that now though Al.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby 661-Pete » 23 Aug 2019, 1:39pm

al_yrpal wrote:That assertion is just plain rubbish, not based on fact and awash with self interest from someone who has decided to live in the Superstate. Yes, if Barney digs his toes in when with goodwill a deal can be done he will share the blame. The vast majority of French people think he is a dead loss anyway. I wonder why. Ask the yellow vests..
Keep trying. Macron (how did you come up with that nickname??? No resemblance) has a poor approval rating, true: just under 30%. But in the two years he's been in office he's had to take some unpopular measures. Unpopular with populists that is...

Bojo on the other hand leads an administration that, in a few short weeks, has become the most unpopular in history - down at 25% or less.

And I don't "ask the Gilets Jaunes" anything, thanks! One of their most visible activities, to date, has been the vandalising of virtually every speed camera in l'Hexagone. Hence making French roads that little bit less safe. Not my scene!
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