merseymouth wrote:Hello Vorpal, So we could implement stricter border control without leaving the E.U.? No evidence of that because each time the issue has been raised we have been shouted down as little islanders! As I read it the imminent "Super State" will stipulate that all member states must accept a chunk of folk who have landed in mainland Europe without exception? A number of members have raised more than an eyebrow over being coerced into forced immigration.
Just because folk say that they want to cross France to get to the U.K. does not give them the right to do so, nor does it give leave for France to let them!
Just because someone lands & registers in an E.U. country why should it be accepted that they can just waltz into this country. Also as you live remote from this country why presume a right to dictate our politics, I wouldn't presume to meddle in Norwegian affairs! Maybe another case of "Multiple Citizenship"? MM
I am citizen of the UK. I am not a citizen of Norway. I'm not meddling in anyone's affairs, not dictating anything to anyone. If I could dictate, we'd never have had a referendum in the first place!
That said, the UK is not part of the Schengen agreement
which, separate to the EU, eliminates most border controls between participating European countries, including Norway, which is not an EU member.
Even given membership in the EU, the UK, like all member nations can limit EU immigrants by requiring them to obtain work, not resort to benefits, and/or limit their stay. In most EU countries, citizens of other EU countries have to register their residence. they also have to demonstrate that they either have a job, or enough funds to live on (i.e. pension) in order to stay for more than a certain period of time (IIRC, the minimum defined by EU law is 3 months, but some countries allow longer stays). The amount of benefits available to EU migrants varies hugely from one country to another. In some countries, citizens of other EU countries can only obtain medical care with the European Health insurance card or for life threatening emergencies, and very limited other benefits. In other countries, just registering yourself as resident makes you eligible for most of the same benefits citizens enjoy. Luckily, the EU is not a super state, and leaves most of that stuff up to the individual member states.
Similarly, while asylum seekers are granted the right to apply for asylum, under international law, the laws do not define how countries grant asylum. The UK is actually fairly strict about this and 2018, granted asylum to about 20,000 people, less than half the numbers (48,000) granted in 2001.
According to the office for national statistics, in the year ending March 2019, 612,000 people moved to the UK (immigration) and 385,000 people left the UK (emigration).
In the year ending June 2019, there were 256,000 National Insurance number (NINo) registrations from non-EU nationals, an increase of 32% on the previous year. Most of these are coming for study.
In the year ending March 2019, the International Passenger Survey (IPS) estimated 218,000 people arrived in the UK intending to stay for a year or more for formal study. Over the last year, there has been an increase in non-EU immigration for study, particularly from Asian citizens.
If we look solely at the EU regulations covering refugees, leaving the EU may do more harm than good, as the Dublin regulation currently allows the UK to send some immigrants back to other EU countries. If we leave, we shall have to renegotiate an agreement with the EU, and with substantially less leverage than we had as a member.
So, please explain how leaving the EU is going change immigration to the UK.
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