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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 8 Oct 2019, 2:45pm
by Mick F
roubaixtuesday wrote:
Mick F wrote:Hang on a sec!
No negotiations from me


You have no choice.

You need a relationship with them, and that means negotiations.
No it doesn't.
Keep everything as it is, but not run by the EU.
Co-operation. You don't need the EU for that.

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 8 Oct 2019, 2:47pm
by al_yrpal
horizon wrote:
reohn2 wrote:Give me evidence that the UK will be better off economically,environmentally or socially outside the EU and I'll be willing to listen to a Brexit argument.


It isn't a case of the UK being better off. It's a case of a big chunk of the population feeling more secure in their identity as British.


Well, I have repeated my reasons again and again and they just don't listen and ask for 'evidence' proof etc and seem to think Brexit is all about economics which it isn't. So, I feel I am just wasting my time repeating myself. Looking forward to Brexit and an end to all the wailing, but, am not expecting it to change. :? Thank goodness for the good sense of the more objective members of our population.

Al

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 8 Oct 2019, 2:48pm
by reohn2
Mick F wrote:Hang on a sec!
No negotiations from me, other than "we should never have joined in the first place".

The issue I have, is that we voted to leave. We didn't vote for arguments or hardship or upset ........... well, I didn't anyway. Can't comment on why other folk voted leave.

I have no issues with the EU in general, but it's the U bit of it that I object to and always have done. Co-operation, trade, free movement of people etc is fine by me. In Europe, but not ruled by Europe is a mantra I can agree with.

It's a small step from European Union to Union of Europe.
Get out whilst we still can. It's going to be difficult I know, but out we should go.

We never have been ruled by Europe and never will be unless we agree to be and that won't happen.
But you're willing to see the country go down the tubes because the think there's even the slightest chance we could possibly agree to something that we know we won't!
INCREDIBLE!!
I hate to remind you of this but you did say on this thread of foreigners "there's too many of them here"

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 8 Oct 2019, 2:52pm
by reohn2
al_yrpal wrote:
horizon wrote:
reohn2 wrote:Give me evidence that the UK will be better off economically,environmentally or socially outside the EU and I'll be willing to listen to a Brexit argument.


It isn't a case of the UK being better off. It's a case of a big chunk of the population feeling more secure in their identity as British.


Well, I have repeated my reasons again and again and they just don't listen and ask for 'evidence' proof etc and seem to think Brexit is all about economics which it isn't. So, I feel I am just wasting my time repeating myself. Looking forward to Brexit and an end to all the wailing, but, am not expecting it to change. :? Thank goodness for the good sense of the more objective members of our population.

Al

Please state clearly why we should leave the EU,you say you've stated it clearly but I haven't seen it on this thread or anywhere else on the forum maybe I missed it.
So please repeat it I'd be very interested to read it and you'll have my apologies if it stands up to scrutiny.

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 8 Oct 2019, 2:53pm
by roubaixtuesday
Mick F wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:
Mick F wrote:Hang on a sec!
No negotiations from me


You have no choice.

You need a relationship with them, and that means negotiations.
No it doesn't.
Keep everything as it is, but not run by the EU.
Co-operation. You don't need the EU for that.


Keep everything as is is?? Free movement, ECJ juristiction, customs union all unchanged? I don't think you mean that?

Cooperation does not just emerge fully formed from the aether. It is negotiated.

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 8 Oct 2019, 2:55pm
by Mick F
661-Pete wrote:
Mick F wrote:The issue I have, is that we voted to leave.
I do wish people wouldn't keep repeating that canard. What happened was, about 51% of those who actually went out to vote in 2016, voted at that time for the Leave option.

Proves nothing.
Of course it doesn't.
Who said it does?

All you can do with any vote, is take a snap-shot.
It would never be the whole picture.

Perhaps you have an issue with First Past the Post?




R2.
We are ruled by the EU.
They make laws and regulations that we must abide by.

There are two many foreigners here. No objection to them personally.
There's too many people in UK be them home-grown or incomers.

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 8 Oct 2019, 2:59pm
by roubaixtuesday
Mick F wrote:We are ruled by the EU.
They make laws and regulations that we must abide by.


In which case we're also ruled by NATO.

And by the Irish through the GFA.

And by the World Trade organisation.

etc etc etc.

Any international treaty involves following the rules set out in that treaty.

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 8 Oct 2019, 3:06pm
by Stradageek
Can we import Donald Tusk to be interim PM? At least he's exposed Piffle's, piffle and realises this is serious! To quote:

What’s at stake is not winning some stupid blame game. At stake is the future of Europe and the UK as well as the security and interests of our people. You don’t want a deal, you don’t want an extension, you don’t want to revoke, quo vadis?

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 8 Oct 2019, 3:06pm
by reohn2
Mick F wrote:R2.
We are ruled by the EU.
They make laws and regulations that we must abide by.

Name me one rule of law the EU has made without the UK's consent and agreement to and which it didn't vote for in the EU parliament

There are two many foreigners here. No objection to them personally.

But the immigration figures show a 50/50 split between EU and the rest of the world migrants.
The half from the rest of the world could be stopped instantly if the UK government wanted it.
The The EU half come hear to work because there's work here for them to do,work that UK citizens either can't or wont do,and if they can't support themselves here they must return home.
Your argument has no foundation when the country needs people to work here!


There's too many people in UK be them home-grown or incomers.

I'll start with myself and Mrs R2,we have three children who have given birth to 9 children,if you're going to put the world right start with yourself!

EDITED for typos and clarity

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 8 Oct 2019, 3:08pm
by Vorpal
You might as well say that we are ruled by the British Standards agency because that is closer to the role the EU fulfill with regard to British law.

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 8 Oct 2019, 3:08pm
by reohn2
Stradageek wrote:Can we import Donald Tusk to be interim PM? At least he's exposed Piffle's, piffle and realises this is serious! To quote:

What’s at stake is not winning some stupid blame game. At stake is the future of Europe and the UK as well as the security and interests of our people. You don’t want a deal, you don’t want an extension, you don’t want to revoke, quo vadis?

BoJo is leading this country to disaster

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 8 Oct 2019, 3:12pm
by kwackers
Vorpal wrote:You might as well say that we are ruled by the British Standards agency because that is closer to the role the EU fulfill with regard to British law.

Brexiters don't see that.

What's funny is British Standards will track EU standards anyway because it makes no sense not too and the chances are hard brexit or not at some point we'll sign a deal and we'll be beholden to those standards anyway.

It's a tragedy in the classical sense.

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 8 Oct 2019, 3:21pm
by RickH
horizon wrote:As the Irishman* said to the person asking directions: "Well, I wouldn't start from here if I were you!".

* Why does it always have to be an Irishman?

When I first heard it, it was a Liverpudlian!

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 8 Oct 2019, 3:57pm
by al_yrpal
Fear, uncertainty and emotional attachment could equally apply to Remainers too. As for the other slurs and unwarranted insults its just par for the course in a stream of bile and hate that those who voted leave have had to put up with. Personally its like water off a ducks back. I am quite clear and confident that we are leaving which suits me fine, with or without a deal.

Al :lol:

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Posted: 8 Oct 2019, 4:02pm
by roubaixtuesday
al_yrpal wrote:Fear, uncertainty and emotional attachment could equally apply to Remainers too. As for the other slurs and unwarranted insults its just par for the course in a stream of bile and hate that those who voted leave have had to put up with. Personally its like water off a ducks back. I am quite clear and confident that we are leaving which suits me fine, with or without a deal.

Al :lol:


I believe this is known as "projection".