** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby roubaixtuesday » 21 Oct 2019, 10:06am

mjr wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:
al_yrpal wrote:So many remain people are so badly informed, twist truths or are delusional.. It doesn't actually matter though. We'll get there in the end .

Al


Well you're certainly right there Al.

On truth and delusion, where exactly fo you believe I live, and why?

And why does it matter?

Because traitors who have left UK borders for too long have no right to vote and must accept whatever patriotic Brexiters do to them, even if it's based on lies like £350m/week for the NHS, Turkey joining the EU, open borders with Syria and Iraq, or that the EU restricts trade more than freeing it. There are currently 53 Free Trade Agreements, some covering multiple countries. There are some restrictions, such as not selling arms to North Korea or Iran, but the UK would probably do that anyway (else face sanctions from the US) and why does Al object to that?


I'm also fascinated by why Al knows better than I do where I live.

Doubtless he'll be along to tell us soon.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 21 Oct 2019, 10:10am

Hi,
661-Pete wrote:
Mick F wrote:
661-Pete wrote:Yes indeed we know, because you've repeated those exact words I don't know how many umpteens of times on this forum! Could you perhaps come up with something a bit different?
No.

Can you come up with an alternative to wanting to remain?
You did not understand my question, or maybe my grammar. I did not ask you to come up with an alternative to wanting to leave. Hence you cannot ask me that identical question, simply with "leave" replaced with "remain".

What I wanted is for you to come up with one - or preferably several - different reasons for wanting to leave. We've already heard the "I never wanted to join" one so please leave that to one side. Other reasons, please!

As for me - assuming that you'd phrased the question correctly - yes I can come up with many reasons for wanting to Remain. We were lied to - especially about the slogan on the bus. The Government has been paralysed, unable to pass any legislation other than Brex*it. There's still a risk of No-Deal, which will paralyse trade between us and the EU - especially at the Channel ports. There's a serious risk to health product availability. There's a serious risk to availability of fresh foods. Inflation may rocket (hitting pensioners hard!). The loss of migrant workers will seriously damage the fruit and vegetable-picking industry (Riverford, one of our suppliers, are particularly alarmed). Many campaigners on the Leave side (I'm not saying, all) were driven by xenophobia and racism.

And to cap it all, I'm certain that Remain is what the public now want, in a second referendum. The BBC can broadcast selective and curated vox pops suggesting otherwise, until they're blue in the face. I'm not fooled...

Want any more?

we are not fooled either.
So the public now want to stay?
The rest is doom and gloom the To quote what you said above.
I could say how do you know but I will Just say like you say :roll: (My eyes are glazing over) we to have heard enough of your mantra.
You will just have to carry on crying a little longer.
What do I want? I still want to leave.
If you asked 100 people to give you reasons on their vote In or out, how many what percentage do you think you would be dissatisfied with.
I would put it to you that it would be a higher percentage than what you would agree with.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 21 Oct 2019, 10:16am

Hi,
roubaixtuesday wrote:
al_yrpal wrote:But then you don't even live here so how can you possibly know. Enjoy the cheap plonk.

Al


I'm not sure why you feel my opinions should be constrained by my location, but nevertheless, your conviction leaves me dazed and confused.

Where is "here"?

Where am I?

We deserve an answer.

I am in Torbay South Devon barely 2 miles from where I was born.
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 21 Oct 2019, 10:21am

Hi,

reohn2 wrote:
Mick F wrote:By default?

I don't support this government or any Tories of the past. I admired Thatcher for her strength, but not her politics. She's twice or three times the "man" of any that followed ....... and are likely to follow of any political leaning. Couldn't stand the woman or what she stood for and what she did, but at least she was strong and had the backing.

I want to leave the Union of Europe asap.
I never wanted to join in the first place.
We all know my sentiments on this!

However, I do not agree that all people who want to leave UofE support BoJo or any of his ilk.

Your political leanings appear to be further to the right after voting for that odd Widdiecombe homophobic woman :roll:

And the middle left and the far right is further to the right, unless you're far left?
Mick is not the first Labour supporter has said they admired Thatcher.
I am middle right.
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby roubaixtuesday » 21 Oct 2019, 10:21am

NATURAL ANKLING wrote:I am in Torbay South Devon barely 2 miles from where I was born.
Drop in any time you've got a puncture or lost your chain.


Are you sure about your location? Al may know better!

Thanks for the generous offer; Lejog is on my bucket list, may pass by somewhere near.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby kwackers » 21 Oct 2019, 10:27am

IME peoples political leanings often make no sense.

No shortage of people who think they lean left/middle/right but then think or behave completely at odds with that.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 21 Oct 2019, 10:31am

Hi,
roubaixtuesday wrote:
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:I am in Torbay South Devon barely 2 miles from where I was born.
Drop in any time you've got a puncture or lost your chain.


Are you sure about your location? Al may know better!

Thanks for the generous offer; Lejog is on my bucket list, may pass by somewhere near.
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 21 Oct 2019, 10:37am

Hi,
al_yrpal wrote:So many remain people are so badly informed, twist truths or are delusional.. It doesn't actually matter though. We'll get there in the end .

Al

Shussssh Al, You're starting to sound like those other With mantra :)
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby al_yrpal » 21 Oct 2019, 10:43am

mjr wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:
al_yrpal wrote:So many remain people are so badly informed, twist truths or are delusional.. It doesn't actually matter though. We'll get there in the end .

Al


Well you're certainly right there Al.

On truth and delusion, where exactly fo you believe I live, and why?

And why does it matter?

Because traitors who have left UK borders for too long have no right to vote and must accept whatever patriotic Brexiters do to them, even if it's based on lies like £350m/week for the NHS, Turkey joining the EU, open borders with Syria and Iraq, or that the EU restricts trade more than freeing it. There are currently 53 Free Trade Agreements, some covering multiple countries. There are some restrictions, such as not selling arms to North Korea or Iran, but the UK would probably do that anyway (else face sanctions from the US) and why does Al object to that?


You said it not me :lol: Do you read minds for a living or just specialise in putting words in others mouths?

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby al_yrpal » 21 Oct 2019, 10:45am

Cugel wrote:
reohn2 wrote:
al_yrpal wrote:So many remain people are so badly informed, twist truths or are delusional.. It doesn't actually matter though. We'll get there in the end .

Al

Enlighten us with your wisdom and knowledge,what exactly is it that remainers are so delusional about exactly.
Chapter and verse would be both instructive and educational.
As I've posted so many times on this thread convince me with facts and I may change my mind,keep on with the blather and vague untruths and there'll be no change on the remain side of this debacle.

BTW if your argument is so sound then why are Brexit supporters so afraid of a second referendum,BoJo's deal or remain seems a good choice on the ballot paper.


Why do you bovver with the Al fellow? You know the "answer" you'll get.

Cugel


Well, I never bother reading your diatribes, you have too much time on your hands. Sad really..

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby PH » 21 Oct 2019, 11:09am

al_yrpal wrote:As long as we end up with something like the original Common Market with the ability to trade with whomsoever we want, make all our own laws and control our own borders I believe most Leave voters will be content.
Al

If we ended up with that most remain voters would be content. It's a vision of a Briton that probably never existed and certainly won't after Brexit.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby mjr » 21 Oct 2019, 11:33am

al_yrpal wrote:
mjr wrote:based on lies like £350m/week for the NHS, Turkey joining the EU, open borders with Syria and Iraq, or that the EU restricts trade more than freeing it. There are currently 53 Free Trade Agreements, some covering multiple countries. There are some restrictions, such as not selling arms to North Korea or Iran, but the UK would probably do that anyway (else face sanctions from the US) and why does Al object to that?


You said it not me :lol: Do you read minds for a living or just specialise in putting words in others mouths?

Al

Neither. Do you specialise in avoiding questions? Which trade restrictions agreed at EU level do you want to lift? Arms to North Korea? Or to Iran? Or another one (name it)?
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby horizon » 21 Oct 2019, 12:25pm

Oldjohnw wrote:The country is more or less evenly divided. Roughly half want to leave and half want to remain. The latter is possibly more than half. Parliament, which we elected, is more or less the same. The opposition do not have a duty to support the government whatever it does but rather to challenge what it does. And that seems to me to be just what it is doing.


I agree. It is the press who are being irresponsible IMV in not telling the British people that Brexit is tight and will encounter opposition all the way along, particularly if people's lives are directly affected.
Let's just get Brexit done so that we can get on with the important job of re-joining the EU!

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Oldjohnw » 21 Oct 2019, 12:36pm

horizon wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:The country is more or less evenly divided. Roughly half want to leave and half want to remain. The latter is possibly more than half. Parliament, which we elected, is more or less the same. The opposition do not have a duty to support the government whatever it does but rather to challenge what it does. And that seems to me to be just what it is doing.


I agree. It is the press who are being irresponsible IMV in not telling the British people that Brexit is tight and will encounter opposition all the way along, particularly if people's lives are directly affected.


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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby mercalia » 21 Oct 2019, 12:52pm

What I fail to understand is the argument that a new referendum would be anti-democratic that it amount to the elitest govt telling the people "you got it wrong, so vote again now and get it right". Does any one really believe that utter piffle that doesnt convince a 10 year old let alone an adult? Why do some spokespeople for Brexit still peddle that utter nonsense against the common sense that when you start a new project your decsion really a choice, is more about desires, preferences, hopes and wishes than facts, until you look into it and see whats really possible? We now have 3 versions of Brexit - no deal, Boris' and Mays & of course remain, so any rational person worthy of the name would surly like a say. The way Brexit-mongers have behaved shows the depravity that people can sink to?