al_yrpal wrote:Horizon, oh dear..ye of little faith! Britain has changed. In the face of huge odds we are still just about holding our own despite the Jonahs assertions. Our country is still a magnet for clever folk who want a better life. Things are difficult all around the world, we arent alone with our problems. Dont know what sort of work you do but I still have many friends in spheres that are doing well and doing unique and exciting new things with massive potential. If the Chinese make a success of Scunthorpe I'll eat my hat.
Two old friends from Maine were here with us last week. Its 10 years since I last saw them. They are Democrats, they are really nice and they are well aware of Americas failings. The US has many people like them. America isnt all bad and I can see the time coming when huge powerful corporations exesses will be better controlled but not curbed and squashed. However these same corporations have gifted the human race massive personal benefits its all too easy to cast them as evil. Four legs good, two legs bad was a mindless chant like 'wicked Tories'. The serial scaremongering just doesnt wash. Its sad so many seem to be willing Britain to fail.
Please spare us the empire-obsessed-pink-glasses nonsense about how we will do so well outside the EU when it will leave us treatyless and at the mercy of the likes of trump and China. Your democratic mates have a lot of work to do to get rid of trump and his criminal associates, and even if they do, Pence will take over, and will stuff us just as badly. The EU is the only organisation trying (and to some extent succeeding despite UK attempts to block it) to curb international coroprations and tax havens.
The reason we are 'not alone' now is that we are in the EU- the US has walked off to be mates with Putin, and the Commonwealth countries have made it clear that there will be serious quid-pro-quo if we want anything off them- we'll pretty much certainly get worse deals with them than the EU has, and it will take time (the EU-Canada treaty too 8 years). If we leave the EU, we are not only alone, but we have magnificently brassed off the only countries that a) are our immediate neighbours, and b) have both incentive and inclination to support us. That's just so stupid I can hardly belive anyone who is able to string a sentence together could think it was a good idea. The costs will be immense, and the benefits illusory. Even Mogg admits it will take 40 years to see the benefits. (Except for him and his short-selling mates in the finance industry, they will make a fast buck shorting Sterling and UK shares).