** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby al_yrpal » 15 Jan 2020, 11:09pm

Pete, its people and companies who decide on trade, not Superstates. Deciders are the spec, quality, availability and cost amongst others. I dont think you understand trade? A free trade deal will be the result and that wont have a massive effect on our EU trade. But...increased trade with non EU countries will more than compensate for any shortfall. Brexit promises a better future unfettered by the EU. Its what people voted for and why the Tories got an 80 seat majority to ensure that it happens.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby PDQ Mobile » 15 Jan 2020, 11:25pm

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To quote yourself back at yourself!

al_yrpal wrote:A lot of unsubstantiated assertions.. par for the course. Negotiations havent started yet. :wink:

Al


"Unfettered" is in this context quite without meaning.
We are all fettered mostly by big and undemocratic interests.

Did you see our new Defence Secretary says we should all fly more? :shock:
He's worried, matey.

And Boeing's up the chute so European Airbus will boom. Shame Broughton voted leave.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby pete75 » 16 Jan 2020, 1:28am

al_yrpal wrote:Pete, its people and companies who decide on trade, not Superstates. Deciders are the spec, quality, availability and cost amongst others. I dont think you understand trade? A free trade deal will be the result and that wont have a massive effect on our EU trade. But...increased trade with non EU countries will more than compensate for any shortfall. Brexit promises a better future unfettered by the EU. Its what people voted for and why the Tories got an 80 seat majority to ensure that it happens.

Al

AL it's states who decide import duties, tariffs and standards that products have to meet to be sold in their markets.

The biggest Superstate in the world is the USA which looks likely to have a very great influence on UK trade post Brexit.

If other countries are not buying Britain's products now why will they suddenly start doing so after Brexit?
What products does Britain actually produce? For example the car industry is largely an EU one. Mini German, Bentley German, Rolls Royce German, Nissan effectively French, Vauxhall French. That leaves Landrover and Jaguar which are Indian and Toyota which is Japanese. In other words none of them have any commitment to this country.
Well under 50% of the electorate voted for the Tories yet all the Tories can ensure is that we leave the EU. They haven't the power to make anything else you describe happen. There's little sign so far of them arranging any trade deals and they'll have to try hard to get the same trade deals we now enjoy as EU members. Contrary to what you fondly imagine the rest of the world doesn't owe Britain a living.


Your views seem to be wishful thinking.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Hobbs1951 » 16 Jan 2020, 5:50am

al_yrpal wrote:Pete, its people and companies who decide on trade, not Superstates. Deciders are the spec, quality, availability and cost amongst others. I dont think you understand trade? A free trade deal will be the result and that wont have a massive effect on our EU trade. But...increased trade with non EU countries will more than compensate for any shortfall. Brexit promises a better future unfettered by the EU. Its what people voted for and why the Tories got an 80 seat majority to ensure that it happens.

Al


You're out of your depth I'm afraid, best make your way to the shallow end - and to be clear governments with FTAs do not necessarily abandon all control of imports or exports, or eliminate protectionist policies. In reality few FTAs result in completely free trade.

People voted for a better future - they bought into a lie.

John.
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby roubaixtuesday » 16 Jan 2020, 6:54am

al_yrpal wrote:So what? They dont want to loose that 10%, and trade wont stop, our economies are closely intertwined. The EU will sign up by the end of this year on terms very close to how things are now, its in the EUs interests. Its companies and people that determine business not trade blocs. Obviously all this stuff is outside your experience.

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"So what"?

So we need them far more than they need us, the precise opposite of your claim.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby roubaixtuesday » 16 Jan 2020, 6:57am

al_yrpal wrote:Pete, its people and companies who decide on trade, not Superstates. Deciders are the spec, quality, availability and cost amongst others. I dont think you understand trade? A free trade deal will be the result and that wont have a massive effect on our EU trade. But...increased trade with non EU countries will more than compensate for any shortfall. Brexit promises a better future unfettered by the EU. Its what people voted for and why the Tories got an 80 seat majority to ensure that it happens.

Al


The number of economists who believe this is almost zero.

As for what people voted for, sure - but it's not what they're going to get. Read the withdrawal agreement.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby al_yrpal » 16 Jan 2020, 9:48am

We'll see! The 'experts' have a pretty poor record over the last few years. And, you seem to think we will just sit there like a rabbit in the headlights. People adapt...

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby roubaixtuesday » 16 Jan 2020, 9:56am

al_yrpal wrote:We'll see! The 'experts' have a pretty poor record over the last few years. And, you seem to think we will just sit there like a rabbit in the headlights. People adapt...

Al


The analogy is cycling into a headwind. Can you adapt? Somewhat. Will it always be harder than a calm day? Yes.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Hobbs1951 » 16 Jan 2020, 10:07am

al_yrpal wrote:We'll see! The 'experts' have a pretty poor record over the last few years. And, you seem to think we will just sit there like a rabbit in the headlights. People adapt...

Al


Bland.

John.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby kwackers » 16 Jan 2020, 10:12am

al_yrpal wrote:We'll see! The 'experts' have a pretty poor record over the last few years. And, you seem to think we will just sit there like a rabbit in the headlights. People adapt...

Al

Adaption is all about making the best of a situation, doesn't guarantee the situation will be better.

"like a rabbit in the headlights", pretty much sums up our government over the last 4 years.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby mjr » 16 Jan 2020, 10:13am

djnotts wrote:"Brexit will soon have cost the UK more than its combined total of payments to the EU budget over the past 47 years.
Bloomberg Economics found the cost of the UK's vote to leave has already reached £130 billion.
A further £70 billion is likely to be added by the end of 2020, economist Dan Hanson found."

But hey we've got different coloured passports so an excellent deal!

Nope, they're still issuing red ones because they can't even afford to junk that much card! And we could have remained in the EU and issued blue passports like Croatia does (and Ireland's are green) so this is another way Leave Means Lies.
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby al_yrpal » 16 Jan 2020, 10:44am

Hobbs1951 wrote:
al_yrpal wrote:We'll see! The 'experts' have a pretty poor record over the last few years. And, you seem to think we will just sit there like a rabbit in the headlights. People adapt...

Al


Bland.

John.


Yes, been a pretty good investment over the last 12 months. Should do better with the Brexit bounce!

Al :D
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby PDQ Mobile » 16 Jan 2020, 10:52am

al_yrpal wrote:
Hobbs1951 wrote:
al_yrpal wrote:We'll see! The 'experts' have a pretty poor record over the last few years. And, you seem to think we will just sit there like a rabbit in the headlights. People adapt...

Al


Bland.

John.


Yes, been a pretty good investment over the last 12 months. Should do better with the Brexit bounce!

Al :D

Aerospace and Arms shares?
Clever but shortsighted!

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby al_yrpal » 16 Jan 2020, 11:30am

I dont have any Aerospace or Arms investments. I thought he meant British Land, theres a finite supply?

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby PDQ Mobile » 16 Jan 2020, 11:52am

al_yrpal wrote:I dont have any Aerospace or Arms investments. I thought he meant British Land, theres a finite supply?

Al


Indeed.
And not just in the UK, the planet is quite small really!
Although ideally land really shouldn't be seen as mere monetary investment for absentee corporate owners, but that's something of a ship long sailed.

Interestingly (or not?) the Govt is to put soil conservation high on it's subsidy agenda it seems.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51128709

(The soil being equally owned in the UK of course!)

But the EU had been one step ahead with big landowner Rees Mogg's detested 3 crop rule.
Which was broadly about soil conservation.

Makes you think? (Or not)
Why bother leaving?