** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

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Re: Theresa May's 'Brexit means Brexit' catchphrase is meaningless, Tory minister admits

Postby PH » 27 Oct 2016, 3:25pm

AlaninWales wrote: I have no idea why people find this strange or consider it new.

If they are being promised that we will make up the difference between X & Y when no one knows what either of them will be and one of them will be outside our control, then it's not only strange and new but also IMO foolish. It looks like a blank cheque which in turn looks pretty desperate.

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Re: Theresa May's 'Brexit means Brexit' catchphrase is meaningless, Tory minister admits

Postby AlaninWales » 27 Oct 2016, 3:35pm

If ....

Kipling wrote a poem about "If" ISTR :lol:

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Re: Theresa May's 'Brexit means Brexit' catchphrase is meaningless, Tory minister admits

Postby PH » 27 Oct 2016, 5:13pm

AlaninWales wrote:If ....

Kipling wrote a poem about "If" ISTR :lol:

Can you think of a single reason why a manufacturer would take such a multi million dollar risk IF they hadn't received such an assurance?

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Re: Theresa May's 'Brexit means Brexit' catchphrase is meaningless, Tory minister admits

Postby Psamathe » 27 Oct 2016, 5:16pm

PH wrote:
AlaninWales wrote:If ....

Kipling wrote a poem about "If" ISTR :lol:

Can you think of a single reason why a manufacturer would take such a multi million dollar risk IF they hadn't received such an assurance?

I wonder if all the grief Ms May is getting about her Brexit plans (or complete lack of them) encouraged her to provide Nissan with assurances and support so she'd get a bit of good PR ... sort of "look, having no plan what-so-ever is not stopping investment ..."

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Re: Theresa May's 'Brexit means Brexit' catchphrase is meaningless, Tory minister admits

Postby Paulatic » 27 Oct 2016, 5:46pm

Psamathe wrote:I wonder if all the grief Ms May is getting about her Brexit plans (or complete lack of them) encouraged her to provide Nissan with assurances and support so she'd get a bit of good PR ... sort of "look, having no plan what-so-ever is not stopping investment ..."

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Surely She wouldn't have given any assurances about relieving any forthcoming tariff charges? She told Scotland she can't make any special cases.
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Re: Theresa May's 'Brexit means Brexit' catchphrase is meaningless, Tory minister admits

Postby Psamathe » 27 Oct 2016, 6:21pm

Paulatic wrote:
Psamathe wrote:I wonder if all the grief Ms May is getting about her Brexit plans (or complete lack of them) encouraged her to provide Nissan with assurances and support so she'd get a bit of good PR ... sort of "look, having no plan what-so-ever is not stopping investment ..."

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Surely She wouldn't have given any assurances about relieving any forthcoming tariff charges? She told Scotland she can't make any special cases.

You mean in the same way as she was consistent with the UK public and Goldman Sachs (in private) ? Or how she was consistent in her opposition to Heathrow's 3rd runway before she approved the plans.

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Re: Theresa May's 'Brexit means Brexit' catchphrase is meaningless, Tory minister admits

Postby Flinders » 27 Oct 2016, 6:25pm

Nissan may get sweeteners or guarantees to offset the risk they take staying here. Other companies, especially smaller ones, will not.
Sunderland voted to leave, so that area ought not to get get any guarantees or offset funding, certainly not unless all other firms in all other areas do.

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Re: Theresa May's 'Brexit means Brexit' catchphrase is meaningless, Tory minister admits

Postby Flinders » 27 Oct 2016, 6:26pm

PH wrote:
AlaninWales wrote:If ....

Kipling wrote a poem about "If" ISTR :lol:

Can you think of a single reason why a manufacturer would take such a multi million dollar risk IF they hadn't received such an assurance?


I certainly can't.
But what do I know- I only did economics at university. :mrgreen:

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Re: Stupid Europhobe cliché

Postby 661-Pete » 27 Oct 2016, 8:30pm

Psamathe wrote:
661-Pete wrote:...
Oh and can we have a new title to this thread?...

Done. New title inspired (or rather stolen) from http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-means-brexit-theresa-may-catchphrase-meaningless-tory-minister-uk-eu-a7381526.html

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Thanks. :D

I've been wondering a bit about these "x means x" catchphrases. An obvious one, in a more serious vein, is the plea of the would-be rapist's victim: "No means no!" Sadly, some guys still don't get the message.

I'm also reminded of a catchphrase which occurs repeatedly in John Le Carré's spy thrillers: "Yes, repeat No". Somehow I think that could well be applied to some of the 'promises' the supporters of brexit made us...... :twisted:
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Re: Stupid Europhobe cliché

Postby matt_twam_asi » 27 Oct 2016, 9:19pm

661-Pete wrote:
Psamathe wrote:
661-Pete wrote:...
Oh and can we have a new title to this thread?...

Done. New title inspired (or rather stolen) from http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-means-brexit-theresa-may-catchphrase-meaningless-tory-minister-uk-eu-a7381526.html

Ian

Thanks. :D

I've been wondering a bit about these "x means x" catchphrases. An obvious one, in a more serious vein, is the plea of the would-be rapist's victim: "No means no!" Sadly, some guys still don't get the message.

I'm also reminded of a catchphrase which occurs repeatedly in John Le Carré's spy thrillers: "Yes, repeat No". Somehow I think that could well be applied to some of the 'promises' the supporters of brexit made us...... :twisted:


It reminds me of Wilde: "The man who could call a spade a spade should be compelled to use one. It is the only thing he is fit for."

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Re: Stupid Europhobe cliché

Postby reohn2 » 28 Oct 2016, 9:09am

matt_twam_asi wrote:It reminds me of Wilde: "The man who could call a spade a spade should be compelled to use one. It is the only thing he is fit for."


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Re: Theresa May's 'Brexit means Brexit' catchphrase is meaningless, Tory minister admits

Postby syklist » 28 Oct 2016, 9:39am

AlaninWales wrote:Exactly the type of promises* that are being made all the time to large companies by governments all around the world. They were being made before the BrExit vote and will continue into the future. That is how the system worked, works and will work, as long as we have large corporations and governments.

All well and good, but the UK government can as such only give promises to Nissan for the period after the UK leaves the EU if it wishes to avoid any possibility of contravening the EU rules on illegal state aid.

Although it wouldn't surprise me if the basic WTO trading rules also include limitations on the amount of state aid that private companies can receive.

Edit : as may any post Brexit agreement with the EU.
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Re: Theresa May's 'Brexit means Brexit' catchphrase is meaningless, Tory minister admits

Postby bovlomov » 28 Oct 2016, 10:27am

Just a thought - for a moment, setting aside arguments about the validity of the referendum.

It is often assumed that the security services and hidden powers (in some form) intervene to protect the country's interests, however they see them. In the past there has been evidence of 'them' undermining elected governments, infiltrating unions, creating narratives for the press, and so on. Presumably there a lot else that we don't know, but it is clear that democratic processes may be suspended to protect us from the Reds, anarchists and terrorists.

Question: If it considered that Brexit is a substantial threat to the UK economy, would the security services intervene to kill it?

Edit: In other words, would they act to protect us from ourselves?

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Re: Theresa May's 'Brexit means Brexit' catchphrase is meaningless, Tory minister admits

Postby kwackers » 28 Oct 2016, 10:53am

bovlomov wrote:Question: If it considered that Brexit is a substantial threat to the UK economy, would the security services intervene to kill it?

Edit: In other words, would they act to protect us from ourselves?

A military coup? That might hit the pound quite hard...

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Re: Theresa May's 'Brexit means Brexit' catchphrase is meaningless, Tory minister admits

Postby bovlomov » 28 Oct 2016, 11:07am

kwackers wrote:
bovlomov wrote:Question: If it considered that Brexit is a substantial threat to the UK economy, would the security services intervene to kill it?

Edit: In other words, would they act to protect us from ourselves?

A military coup? That might hit the pound quite hard...

That's not the British way. I was thinking more of compromising photos, blackmail, a word in someone's ear, a strategic suicide... ..that sort of thing.