SpannerGeek wrote: syklist wrote:
No. They haven't gone yet.
Thus nothing has been overturned.
Not yet. But there's another GE in the offing before Brexits over, I'll put my Campagnolo cycling cap on it. Chairman May won't see out her term.
Read, educate yourself. Try the world outside of your isolated, feather bedded, totally protectionist bubble of Norway. There's nothing like slumming it to improve the mind.
I am curious about how that string of words has much to do with the point at hand.
Even if we accept the argument that Farage has overturned the establishment (I don't see any evidence of that), how is 'slumming it' going to educate syklist in some way that the truth will be revealed?
I have lived in slums in the US. I have lived much of my life in 'bad' neighborhoods. I have also lived in a working class village in rural England, and I now live in the 'totally protectionist bubble of Norway' and I also have difficulty seeing that anything has been overturned. Farage got his Brexit; a change in circumstances, surely, but an overturn of the establishment? Perhaps you have a different understanding of what that means than I do.
As forTrump, he may not be the political establishment, but his political appointments do not exactly fill me with hope.
I am willing to give him a chance, yes. There are some things on his to-do list that I quite like. But if he proceeds with bigotry, well, I will do what I can to fight him, and I hope that many others do, to.
SpannerGeek wrote:Trump is in power. We don't understand what that means here in the UK (or Norway) but it's a volt face for U.S. politics and the corruption and collusion that's milked the country for the past 40 years.
When Trump says he's going to 'clean out the cess pit ', he really means it. He made his money honestly, above board, payed his taxes. You can't say that for his detractors.
I understand what it means, and I hope he does 'clean out the cess pit' because it needs cleaning. But I seriously have my doubts, not least because the Republicans who will control both houses of congress have no interest in cess pit cleaning, and some of the most important reforms (gerrymandering, lobbying), will depend on legislation.
“In some ways, it is easier to be a dissident, for then one is without responsibility.”
― Nelson Mandela, Long Walk to Freedom