When is a Malteser not a Malteser?

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Re: When is a Malteser not a Malteser?

Postby 661-Pete » 20 Nov 2016, 8:25pm

What next?
Suppose that this room is a lift. The support breaks and down we go with ever-increasing velocity.
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Re: When is a Malteser not a Malteser?

Postby PH » 20 Nov 2016, 8:29pm

landsurfer wrote:I have heard that Mercian are considering moving back to the factory and saving the overhead of the shop.
But while they refuse to give even randomly accurate quotes for their eye watering prices for a single colour respray with transfers they will reap what they sow ...
Personal experience ...

Factory? It's a shed :D
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Re: When is a Malteser not a Malteser?

Postby landsurfer » 20 Nov 2016, 8:34pm

Yes .... but it's their shed .... :)
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Re: When is a Malteser not a Malteser?

Postby SpannerGeek » 20 Nov 2016, 8:35pm

landsurfer wrote:I have heard that Mercian are considering moving back to the factory and saving the overhead of the shop.
But while they refuse to give even randomly accurate quotes for their eye watering prices for a single colour respray with transfers they will reap what they sow ...
Personal experience ...


Mercian too will be feeling the pinch of imports. Paint, brazing supplies, tubesets, Campagnolo frame parts, even simple things like protective masks and gloves all come from outside the uk and will all be hit by the 16% drop in the value of sterling.

The most dangerous thing UK manufacturing faces is unnecessary uncertainty, and due to the digit in extremity politics of this current administration, we have it in droves.

Once you see the first German or Japanese manufacturer quitting the UK then it's writing on the wall time for everyone. Of course all of this hasn't happened yet, but I challenge anyone to provide answers to why the EU wouldn't be the least bit anxious to see that it does. A battered and beleaguered UK (or at least the impression of one) is the only thing that is going to keep the institution intact.

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Re: When is a Malteser not a Malteser?

Postby landsurfer » 20 Nov 2016, 8:46pm

I can only share my own experience.
I own a heavy engineering company.
I have a business partner, he is Malcolm.
We are having our best year ever.
Since the crash of 2008/ 2009 .
2009 was our previous best year ever.
Our order book is overflowing.
We cannot get the staff we need.
Business is accelerating.
But its amazing how many people who are not in business keep saying how bad things are or will be.

B#LL#CKS .....!

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Re: When is a Malteser not a Malteser?

Postby mercalia » 20 Nov 2016, 8:58pm

SpannerGeek wrote:
landsurfer wrote:I have heard that Mercian are considering moving back to the factory and saving the overhead of the shop.
But while they refuse to give even randomly accurate quotes for their eye watering prices for a single colour respray with transfers they will reap what they sow ...
Personal experience ...


Mercian too will be feeling the pinch of imports. Paint, brazing supplies, tubesets, Campagnolo frame parts, even simple things like protective masks and gloves all come from outside the uk and will all be hit by the 16% drop in the value of sterling.

The most dangerous thing UK manufacturing faces is unnecessary uncertainty, and due to the digit in extremity politics of this current administration, we have it in droves.

Once you see the first German or Japanese manufacturer quitting the UK then it's writing on the wall time for everyone. Of course all of this hasn't happened yet, but I challenge anyone to provide answers to why the EU wouldn't be the least bit anxious to see that it does. A battered and beleaguered UK (or at least the impression of one) is the only thing that is going to keep the institution intact.



maybe an opportunity for the UK to reinvent itself as a manufacturing country

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Re: When is a Malteser not a Malteser?

Postby Edwards » 21 Nov 2016, 7:36am

landsurfer wrote:I can only share my own experience.
I own a heavy engineering company.
I have a business partner, he is Malcolm.
We are having our best year ever.
Since the crash of 2008/ 2009 .
2009 was our previous best year ever.
Our order book is overflowing.
We cannot get the staff we need.
Business is accelerating.
But its amazing how many people who are not in business keep saying how bad things are or will be.

B#LL#CKS .....!

:D


Could it be that the companies that need your services are getting the work done before the price of materials really go up?
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Re: When is a Malteser not a Malteser?

Postby reohn2 » 21 Nov 2016, 8:49am

sjs wrote:
ferrit worrier wrote:Toblerone have just done thhe same thing. What about wagon wheels they started to reduce the size years ago.


My recollection is that Curly Wurlies used to be about a foot long.

I'd feel sorry for anyone who's curl wurlies were so long.
How would you find it :shock:


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Re: When is a Malteser not a Malteser?

Postby 661-Pete » 21 Nov 2016, 11:28am

Now now!
Anyone recall how big a Gobstopper was? And are they still around? (Used to buy one from the corner shop on my way home from school... :P )
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Re: When is a Malteser not a Malteser?

Postby meic » 21 Nov 2016, 12:13pm

Specialist sweet shops still have gobstoppers that I doubt that I could get in my mouth in the first place, they are sold singly.
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Re: When is a Malteser not a Malteser?

Postby pete75 » 21 Nov 2016, 2:16pm

661-Pete wrote:Now now!
Anyone recall how big a Gobstopper was? And are they still around? (Used to buy one from the corner shop on my way home from school... :P )


Gobstoppers are the same size as always. It's with mouths the size of Farage's and Johnson's about now they just seem smaller.

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Re: When is a Malteser not a Malteser?

Postby 661-Pete » 21 Nov 2016, 6:01pm

pete75 wrote:Gobstoppers are the same size as always. It's with mouths the size of Farage's and Johnson's about now they just seem smaller.

Whereas, if one were to make its way into Trump's mouth, he'd probably just reach for the floss....
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Let us pass the time by performing physical experiments...
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Re: When is a Malteser not a Malteser?

Postby Psamathe » 21 Nov 2016, 6:13pm

An excellent song covering many of the things raised in this thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qTXCLfWDaA
It's a video helping explaining a live recording. If you have Spotify they have the studio recording of the extended "250 remembers". How he remembers the lyrics amazes me.

But excellent song which really does capture many elements of my era childhood (the sixties) and well worth a few minutes for people of the era. And surprising how many I'd forgotten about until they get a mention.

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Re: When is a Malteser not a Malteser?

Postby landsurfer » 21 Nov 2016, 6:18pm

[/quote]Could it be that the companies that need your services are getting the work done before the price of materials really go up?[/quote]

Read the post, our growth has been positive for over 10 years.
The products we design, build and install are used thoughout the UK and Ireland.
They are safety critical products for the transportation industry.
Materials are sourced 80% in the UK. Those prices are fairly stable. The hoppers for our traction control systems are made of steel from Port Talbot.
Because of competition the prices of products sourced outside the UK are falling or stable even with the BREXIT effect.
Reality does not match up with the doom merchants.
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Re: When is a Malteser not a Malteser?

Postby SpannerGeek » 21 Nov 2016, 7:52pm

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landsurfer wrote:
Could it be that the companies that need your services are getting the work done before the price of materials really go up?[/quote]

Read the post, our growth has been positive for over 10 years.
The products we design, build and install are used thoughout the UK and Ireland.
They are safety critical products for the transportation industry.
Materials are sourced 80% in the UK. Those prices are fairly stable. The hoppers for our traction control systems are made of steel from Port Talbot.
Because of competition the prices of products sourced outside the UK are falling or stable even with the BREXIT effect.
Reality does not match up with the doom merchants.[/quote]


You've kinda shot your own argument right out of the water there. Try building a bicycle. 90% if you're components will be sourced OUTSIDE of the UK, shimano parts have seen a near 22% increase since June. Your products are perhaps unusual in the fact that the materials can be predominantly sourced in the UK.

This, from my experience in industry is a rare thing. So you might be cock a hoop at the moment, but tens of thousands of small businesses throughout the uk are suffering, and those in bike manufacturing and distribution doubly so. My LBS has laid off 4 staff since the start of Brexit, simply in the back of price increases. Increases they are at best terrified to pass onto the customer, lest they lose the business to an online retailer who has stocked up with perhaps 18 months supply of parts before Brexit .