Europe’s leaders to force Britain into hard Brexit

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pete75
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Re: Europe’s leaders to force Britain into hard Brexit

Postby pete75 » 25 Nov 2016, 5:51pm

The_Master wrote:We are out, so let's stay out.
Freedom of movement isn't a good thing for this country. We need English jobs for English people, simple!


So what have you got against the Scots and the Welsh?

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Re: Europe’s leaders to force Britain into hard Brexit

Postby landsurfer » 25 Nov 2016, 5:57pm

Maybe it's because the Scots and Welsh have their own parliament.
The English don't.
No voice in their own country.
:(
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Re: Europe’s leaders to force Britain into hard Brexit

Postby pete75 » 25 Nov 2016, 6:03pm

landsurfer wrote:Maybe it's because the Scots and Welsh have their own parliament.
The English don't.
No voice in their own country.
:(


Actually they do - the vast majority of MPs at Westminster are representing English interests and constituencies. That's why Scotland needs it's own parliament. Wales does not have a parliament, it's an assembly with fairly limited powers. A small concession after being ruled by England since the days of Owen Glendower.

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Re: Europe’s leaders to force Britain into hard Brexit

Postby Paulatic » 25 Nov 2016, 6:19pm

landsurfer wrote:Maybe it's because the Scots and Welsh have their own parliament.
The English don't.
No voice in their own country.
:(


533 constituencies in England and you say non of them have a voice for England?
Time for a new education minister down there me thinks.
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Re: Europe’s leaders to force Britain into hard Brexit

Postby syklist » 25 Nov 2016, 6:28pm

The_Master wrote:We are out, so let's stay out.
Freedom of movement isn't a good thing for this country. We need English jobs for English people, simple!

I am getting flashbacks to the League of Gentleman's Local Shop after reading that. :lol:
So long and thanks for all the fish...

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Re: Europe’s leaders to force Britain into hard Brexit

Postby landsurfer » 25 Nov 2016, 6:51pm

533 constituencies who must be subject to interference from the democratically elected parliament of Scotland.
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Re: Europe’s leaders to force Britain into hard Brexit

Postby Paulatic » 25 Nov 2016, 7:07pm

landsurfer wrote:533 constituencies who must be subject to interference from the democratically elected parliament of Scotland.

The Scottish Parliament has only powers for devolved matters. I fail to see how a decision on a devolved matter can interfere with the UK government.
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Re: Europe’s leaders to force Britain into hard Brexit

Postby landsurfer » 25 Nov 2016, 7:12pm

Semantics, Scottish MPs vote on matters only affecting England in Parliament.
Surely that's not fair, either way ?
The devil is not in the detail.
The details are the devils.
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Re: Europe’s leaders to force Britain into hard Brexit

Postby Paulatic » 25 Nov 2016, 7:23pm

landsurfer wrote:As you pointed out, they vote on matters only affecting England in Parliament.
Surely that's not fair, either way ?

If I understand it rightly you are now referring to the 59 elected Scottish MPs for Westminster? Earlier you were referring to the Scottish Parliament. Also If I understand you right you are now referring to the West Lothian question. I thought new rules first invoked in January this year, upsetting the SNP, were made to help solve it.
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Re: Europe’s leaders to force Britain into hard Brexit

Postby landsurfer » 25 Nov 2016, 7:34pm

Less politics, more cycling.
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Re: Europe’s leaders to force Britain into hard Brexit

Postby pete75 » 25 Nov 2016, 8:47pm

landsurfer wrote:Semantics, Scottish MPs vote on matters only affecting England in Parliament.
Surely that's not fair, either way ?
The devil is not in the detail.
The details are the devils.


Let's see 59 Scottish MPs 533 English MPs. How on earth can the Scottish members force something on England against the wishes of English members.