Everybody's Making Plans for Nigel

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Re: Everybody's Making Plans for Nigel

Postby 661-Pete » 22 Nov 2016, 5:11pm

SpannerGeek wrote:Sorry, but that's about as much hyperbole as I can stomach today.

Pass the tin bucket, nurse.

Try googling "alt-right", matey. Is that 'hyperbole' to you?
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Re: Everybody's Making Plans for Nigel

Postby AlaninWales » 22 Nov 2016, 5:20pm

Psamathe wrote:
SpannerGeek wrote:...
But seriously, what's so eerily wrong with Nigel, that the government can't even consider him as a liaison between the UK and America? It makes absolutely no sense....

Ambassadors are diplomatic roles NOT political roles. An Ambassador has to pursue the interests of his country as defined by the government.

So, suppose Ms May decided Freedom of Movement was actually a good thing and decided to go for a "very soft Brexit". Our ambassadors would be obliged to argue that course was the best for the UK and to pursue that outcome, represent the case for it, etc. Can you see Farage (with no diplomatic training) doing that? He'd be following whatever he wanted as he wanted, his own personal ideology, etc.

And does he even deserve any reward for what he's done. and what he's done he's done unofficially anyway as he played no part in the recognised Leave campaign (and even that campaign was critical of him on occasions).

It would be a totally daft appointment.

But what is the UK President Elect doing proposing people for UK diplomatic roles? It is none of his business. Would he listen to the UK if we started saying who he should appoint as the US Ambassador to the UK ?

Ian

OTOH I quite like the idea of suggesting who The Ducke should send as US ambassador to Britain. Perhaps we should interview a shortlist of candidates; we might invite for interview and consideration:
Hilary Clinton, Claudette Colvin, Jesse Jackson. We might ask the leaders of the Sioux Nation who they would recommend. Does anyone else know of a good candidate?

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Re: Everybody's Making Plans for Nigel

Postby Mick F » 22 Nov 2016, 5:40pm

The one's I'd suggest are dead.

Muhammad Ali
John Wayne
James Cagney
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Joan Blondell
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Re: Everybody's Making Plans for Nigel

Postby landsurfer » 22 Nov 2016, 6:33pm

SpannerGeek wrote:
bovlomov wrote:[quote="SpannerGeek"

I think a cheese and ham sandwich would be a better Foreign Secretary than Boris Johnson.


I like Boris, but Foreign Secretary ....... Mrs May was having a giggle ......... :lol:
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Re: Everybody's Making Plans for Nigel

Postby Paulatic » 22 Nov 2016, 6:41pm

SpannerGeek wrote:I'm not suggesting he should be U.S. ambassador but to ignore the obvious friendship and perhaps influence he has over the next President of the United States, surely a minor role would be advantageous to the 'special relationship ' which seems to have floundered on the rocks of late?


If I'm not sick if hearing about this "special relationship " As I understand it was only while we were in debt to USA and weve now paid off that debt.
It looks to me as if we should start distancing ourselves from Trump not pandering to him.
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Re: Everybody's Making Plans for Nigel

Postby SpannerGeek » 22 Nov 2016, 6:50pm

Paulatic wrote:
SpannerGeek wrote:I'm not suggesting he should be U.S. ambassador but to ignore the obvious friendship and perhaps influence he has over the next President of the United States, surely a minor role would be advantageous to the 'special relationship ' which seems to have floundered on the rocks of late?


If I'm not sick if hearing about this "special relationship " As I understand it was only while we were in debt to USA and weve now paid off that debt.
It looks to me as if we should start distancing ourselves from Trump not pandering to him.


Given the pound has risen an astonishing 7% (it's highest 2 week rise for 8 years) predominantly on the back of the reaffirmation of the 'special relationship', I hardly think the U.S. is a market and a partner we can afford to neglect. Doubly so since we'lo be out of the Single market shortly and on our uppers for free trade partners...

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Re: Everybody's Making Plans for Nigel

Postby SpannerGeek » 22 Nov 2016, 6:51pm

landsurfer wrote:
SpannerGeek wrote:
bovlomov wrote:[quote="SpannerGeek"

I think a cheese and ham sandwich would be a better Foreign Secretary than Boris Johnson.


I like Boris, but Foreign Secretary ....... Mrs May was having a giggle ......... :lol:


I like Boris. In a punch and Judy show maybe, but nowhere near the front line of politics.

Imagine if he'd become Prime minister .. Twinned with Trump :shock:

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Re: Everybody's Making Plans for Nigel

Postby Paulatic » 22 Nov 2016, 7:00pm

SpannerGeek wrote:
Paulatic wrote:
SpannerGeek wrote:I'm not suggesting he should be U.S. ambassador but to ignore the obvious friendship and perhaps influence he has over the next President of the United States, surely a minor role would be advantageous to the 'special relationship ' which seems to have floundered on the rocks of late?


If I'm not sick if hearing about this "special relationship " As I understand it was only while we were in debt to USA and weve now paid off that debt.
It looks to me as if we should start distancing ourselves from Trump not pandering to him.


Given the pound has risen an astonishing 7% (it's highest 2 week rise for 8 years) predominantly on the back of the reaffirmation of the 'special relationship', I hardly think the U.S. is a market and a partner we can afford to neglect. Doubly so since we'lo be out of the Single market shortly and on our uppers for free trade partners...


That might be yours and the governments opinion. Strangely I take a higher moral stance and would tell Trump to ***!
Think the good Scottish people of Aberdeen have told him that already
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Re: Everybody's Making Plans for Nigel

Postby JimL » 22 Nov 2016, 8:22pm

It is only a few years since Alex Salmond and his crew were licking the a**e of Donald Trump and the SNP governement overturned the Aberdeen Council planning descision ( decided on the casting vote of the LibDem chairman who was subsequently sacked by the LibDem leadership) to ensure Trump invested in Salmond's constituency.

At the time the SNP were going on about how this was an example of how under indepedennce the diaspora from across the sea would invest in the 'auld country' (and they were even going to give them all citizenship).

The few who stood against Trump were derided by the scottish political establishment.

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Re: Everybody's Making Plans for Nigel

Postby pete75 » 22 Nov 2016, 8:56pm

mercalia wrote:the reason why it wont happen is that lets face it Mr Farage is an outsider he dont belong to the club? Mrs May says she wants to govern for the people unlike the elitest posh Cameron, but its at a distance type, in the way you feed the animals at the zoo. The political establishment is too snooty to make anything of Mr Farage.


Except Farage is from a far more snooty background than May. His background is pretty close to Cameron's, father a stockbroker and attended a leading public school.

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Re: Everybody's Making Plans for Nigel

Postby mercalia » 22 Nov 2016, 9:21pm

pete75 wrote:
mercalia wrote:the reason why it wont happen is that lets face it Mr Farage is an outsider he dont belong to the club? Mrs May says she wants to govern for the people unlike the elitest posh Cameron, but its at a distance type, in the way you feed the animals at the zoo. The political establishment is too snooty to make anything of Mr Farage.


Except Farage is from a far more snooty background than May. His background is pretty close to Cameron's, father a stockbroker and attended a leading public school.


looks and sounds is all important - Farage dont sound posh at all, he aint? He dont have a BBC voice so cant be posh
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Re: Everybody's Making Plans for Nigel

Postby Paulatic » 22 Nov 2016, 9:29pm

JimL wrote:It is only a few years since Alex Salmond and his crew were licking the a**e of Donald Trump and the SNP governement overturned the Aberdeen Council planning descision ( decided on the casting vote of the LibDem chairman who was subsequently sacked by the LibDem leadership) to ensure Trump invested in Salmond's constituency.

At the time the SNP were going on about how this was an example of how under indepedennce the diaspora from across the sea would invest in the 'auld country' (and they were even going to give them all citizenship).

The few who stood against Trump were derided by the scottish political establishment.


Worth remembering it was Jack McConnel who initially courted Trump. The government at the time of the Aberdeen Council planning decision was a minority SNP. We've Patrick Harvie (greens) to thank for later turning the view,IMO, on Trump.
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Re: Everybody's Making Plans for Nigel

Postby JohnW » 22 Nov 2016, 10:18pm

syklist wrote:
SpannerGeek wrote:Apologies to XTC for ripping a song lyric..

But seriously, what's so eerily wrong with Nigel, that the government can't even consider him as a liaison between the UK and America? It makes absolutely no sense.

I don't know what meds you are on but they clearly do not seem to be working.


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Re: Everybody's Making Plans for Nigel

Postby JimL » 22 Nov 2016, 10:30pm

Paulatic wrote:
JimL wrote:It is only a few years since Alex Salmond and his crew were licking the a**e of Donald Trump and the SNP governement overturned the Aberdeen Council planning descision ( decided on the casting vote of the LibDem chairman who was subsequently sacked by the LibDem leadership) to ensure Trump invested in Salmond's constituency.

At the time the SNP were going on about how this was an example of how under indepedennce the diaspora from across the sea would invest in the 'auld country' (and they were even going to give them all citizenship).

The few who stood against Trump were derided by the scottish political establishment.


Worth remembering it was Jack McConnel who initially courted Trump. The government at the time of the Aberdeen Council planning decision was a minority SNP. We've Patrick Harvie (greens) to thank for later turning the view,IMO, on Trump.


Alex Salmond was first minister and John Swinney , his SNP sidekick, took the decsison to overturn the local planning decision

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Re: Everybody's Making Plans for Nigel

Postby tyreon » 22 Nov 2016, 10:57pm

I remain constantly surprised at how reviled and hated NF is. We've had almost every established high ranker disparage him. The only more hated figure may be George Galloway. I was thinking here I was only half an inch away from WW3 with Putin with the liberal elite salivating for a confrontation. Strange days. Someone hereabouts put in a link to John Pilger and from him to Julian Assange. I remember JP seemingly disparaging Hillary Clinton,her of the liberal educated 'reasoned' 'intelligent' right-choice. Wotsgoinon? And then we started to follow the money...behind the arms manufacturers and the oil and so on. I might have this all wrong, but I seemed to see JP understand how the electorate had little choice but to vote as they did for but more of the same-old same-old. OTOH we have the EU, the 'revered' John Simpson and Polly Toynbee gagging for aggro with Russia. Cripes!