A happy ending?

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Should this forum have a separate 'politics' section?

Yes, visible to guests in read-only mode
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Yes, accessible to all forummers
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Yes, accessible to only those forummers who have 'opted in'
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No, leave things as they are
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A happy ending?

Postby 661-Pete » 5 Dec 2016, 7:32pm

From the 'Thatcher' thread:
Graham wrote:UNLOCKED
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A happy ending is in progress . . . .

Sorry Graham. I seriously doubt it.

Is it time to resurrect the concept of a separate, visible-to-members-only, Politics section? I've had several goes at proposing this, and each time I've been outvoted or outgunned, so it seems. Perhaps I'm beating the air.

But .... whatever the political climate outside of this forum may have become over the last few months ..... I can see a change in the 'climate' right here with us, in our midst. And I'm not happy. I thought I liked the flavour of the debate on the CTC/CUK forum...
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Re: A happy ending?

Postby Graham » 5 Dec 2016, 8:29pm

Alas, we cannot identify Cycling UK "members" using the system.

I would be quite happy to kill the "shock jock" topics which seem to be so common now.
The trouble is that what I consider an unpalatable topic might be of interest to others ( and sometimes interesting debate can be had ).

It did cross my mind that one or more political movement are encouraging their adherents to go out on the internet and "spread the message" or "dominate your chosen internet space", etc.
But that would just be a fantastic conspiracy theory, would it not ?

Sometimes I wonder whether a dodgy topic will be given the tumbleweed treatment for a change - just be abandoned to slip off our screen pdq.
But, no, alas, one or more people always seem to get drawn in.

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Re: A happy ending?

Postby reohn2 » 5 Dec 2016, 8:37pm

I think the problem is people like to debate politricks,that's evident by the number of politrick threads and how may pages they run.
That's the consequence of an open forum,we can choose to engage or not,that's the individual's choice.
Whether there should be a politrickal ghetto is up for debate.
We could debate that :wink:
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Re: A happy ending?

Postby blackbike » 5 Dec 2016, 8:53pm

The content of a topic is only visible to people who chose to read it.

Or is the mere knowledge that a topic exists too much for some people?

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Re: A happy ending?

Postby landsurfer » 5 Dec 2016, 9:01pm

A members only forum, where guests can read and view but not post.
There are costs associated with running the forum so why should non members have the benefit of it ??
I must say i have used and commented and opened topics while out of membership.

But surely the answer.
Another club i have been a member of is the Mazda MX-5 Owners club, no membership no post ...simple ....

And definitely a politics only forum ...
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Re: A happy ending?

Postby 661-Pete » 5 Dec 2016, 9:57pm

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Re: A happy ending?

Postby 661-Pete » 5 Dec 2016, 10:00pm

Graham wrote:Alas, we cannot identify Cycling UK "members" using the system.
By 'members' I meant members of the forum, not members of Cycling UK.
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Re: A happy ending?

Postby landsurfer » 5 Dec 2016, 10:10pm

Of course we could follow the advice of Isaac Asimov, set up a structured debate format, require membership ... then ban all those that want to to be members ..... their the problem .... :D
His idea was that anyone that applied to join the Police, by their very application, made themselves wholly unsuitable for the post .....
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Re: A happy ending?

Postby mercalia » 5 Dec 2016, 10:15pm

maybe A 661-pete forum for anyone who wants to discuss with him :wink:

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Re: A happy ending?

Postby bovlomov » 5 Dec 2016, 10:22pm

I like most of the political debate here, but if it was banned I'd have more time to do other things. E.g. staring out of the window, staring at the ceiling, staring at the wall, sleeping...

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Re: A happy ending?

Postby Norman H » 5 Dec 2016, 10:35pm

I'm inclined to agree with 661-Pete. It might be easier to change the name of the forum to Politics UK and include a separate cycling ghetto.

I'm all for free speech and although not participating do occasionally enjoy the arguments. My concern is the unrelenting nature of the political threads. We are living in exceptional times and the country seems more polarised than ever. Cycling ought be a unifying force but the forum seems to be dominated by the divisions of politics.

I also wonder what purpose is served by such debates. Certainly the main protagonists are unlikely to alter their opinions. It's possible, I suppose, that some onlookers may have their prejudices challenged, if they haven't all lost the will to live, but I get the feeling that the main purpose is the gratification of the thread instigators. Grahams use of the term Shock Jock seems very appropriate. The Helmet Ghetto was formed I believe because people became bored with the recycling of the same arguments. It appears to me that a similar case could be made in this instance. Whatever the mods decide, they have my support.

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Re: A happy ending?

Postby bovlomov » 5 Dec 2016, 10:52pm

Norman H wrote:I'm all for free speech...

I think almost all of us agree that it's not a matter of free speech. We're guests in a private space, and the owners can chuck us out at any time. [Note to mods: that's not an invitation].

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Re: A happy ending?

Postby reohn2 » 5 Dec 2016, 10:54pm

bovlomov wrote:I like most of the political debate here, but if it was banned I'd have more time to do other things. E.g. staring out of the window, staring at the ceiling, staring at the wall, sleeping...

You left the floor out :?
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Re: A happy ending?

Postby landsurfer » 5 Dec 2016, 10:54pm

bovlomov wrote:I like most of the political debate here, but if it was banned I'd have more time to do other things. E.g. staring out of the window, staring at the ceiling, staring at the wall, sleeping...


Cycling ??... i'll do a combined ride / put the world to rights day with you ...
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Re: A happy ending?

Postby bovlomov » 5 Dec 2016, 11:03pm

reohn2 wrote:
bovlomov wrote:I like most of the political debate here, but if it was banned I'd have more time to do other things. E.g. staring out of the window, staring at the ceiling, staring at the wall, sleeping...

You left the floor out :?

What kind of loser do you think I am?!! I have some pride.