Cognitive dissonance - Laterne Rouge - both are true

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Cognitive dissonance - Laterne Rouge - both are true

Postby Cyril Haearn » 5 Mar 2017, 11:51am

The borders railway south from Edinburgh has reopened

It was both successful and unsuccessful

Many more passengers than expected wanted to use it

But it uses old DMUs that overheat on the hills and have to cool down before proceeding

Both are true

Any more examples of cognitive dissonance?

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Re: Cognitive dissonance - both are true

Postby meic » 5 Mar 2017, 12:04pm

I am not very susceptible to cognitive dissonance. as a result I admit my failures, accept much of what I have bought is utter crap and I am consequently a very miserable person in a state of depression caused by accepting the reality of life.
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Re: Cognitive dissonance - both are true

Postby pete75 » 5 Mar 2017, 12:28pm

Cyril Haearn wrote:The borders railway south from Edinburgh has reopened

It was both successful and unsuccessful

Many more passengers than expected wanted to use it

But it uses old DMUs that overheat on the hills and have to cool down before proceeding

Both are true

Any more examples of cognitive dissonance?

Diolch/thanks


Sounds more like the result of incompetence to me - using clapped out and poorly maintained machinery that isn't up to the job.

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Re: Cognitive dissonance - both are true

Postby reohn2 » 5 Mar 2017, 6:20pm

pete75 wrote:Sounds more like the result of incompetence to me - using clapped out and poorly maintained machinery that isn't up to the job.


I agree.
Cognitive dissonance:-
The state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioural decisions and attitude change.

The rail companies thoughts seem consistently crap AFAICS :?
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Re: Cognitive dissonance - both are true

Postby Cyril Haearn » 4 Jan 2018, 1:05pm

pete75 wrote:
Cyril Haearn wrote:The borders railway south from Edinburgh has reopened

It was both successful and unsuccessful

Many more passengers than expected wanted to use it

But it uses old DMUs that overheat on the hills and have to cool down before proceeding

Both are true

Any more examples of cognitive dissonance?

Diolch/thanks


Sounds more like the result of incompetence to me - using clapped out and poorly maintained machinery that isn't up to the job.


Or independent/disconnected/unjoined-up thinking
I bet 60143 Tornado could get over those hills, it is nearly new :wink:
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Re: Cognitive dissonance - both are true

Postby bovlomov » 4 Jan 2018, 1:59pm

meic wrote:I am not very susceptible to cognitive dissonance. as a result I admit my failures, accept much of what I have bought is utter crap and I am consequently a very miserable person in a state of depression caused by accepting the reality of life.

But it could be worse! You are spared the burden of having to rationalise inconsistent positions within your own head. That's a sure way to physical and mental illness.

A depressed person might be seeing the world more clearly than the optimist. Would it help to "drink the Kool-Aid", and join the merry band of the deluded?

We are all susceptible to some degree, but I think cognitive dissonance can be minimised via a few strategies. Accept complexity, ambiguity and uncertainty; be aware of self-serving elements within your thinking; stick to principles rather than short term advantage; have few principles but have sound ones.

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Re: Cognitive dissonance - both are true

Postby Mick F » 4 Jan 2018, 2:20pm

Cyril Haearn wrote:I bet 60143 Tornado could get over those hills, it is nearly new :wink:
Yes, but it won't last long.

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Re: Cognitive dissonance - both are true

Postby Vorpal » 4 Jan 2018, 2:40pm

bovlomov wrote:
meic wrote:I am not very susceptible to cognitive dissonance. as a result I admit my failures, accept much of what I have bought is utter crap and I am consequently a very miserable person in a state of depression caused by accepting the reality of life.


A depressed person might be seeing the world more clearly than the optimist. Would it help to "drink the Kool-Aid", and join the merry band of the deluded?

Now I know what I need to do! :lol:
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Re: Cognitive dissonance - Borders Line - both are true

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 4 Jan 2018, 2:54pm

Hi,
A personal battle of a conscientious person.
Happens when you work with over egotistical so called team members, empire building, brownie points scoring etc.
An organisation that wishes to excel should not act like this.
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Re: Cognitive dissonance - both are true

Postby bovlomov » 4 Jan 2018, 4:13pm

Vorpal wrote:
bovlomov wrote:
meic wrote:I am not very susceptible to cognitive dissonance. as a result I admit my failures, accept much of what I have bought is utter crap and I am consequently a very miserable person in a state of depression caused by accepting the reality of life.


A depressed person might be seeing the world more clearly than the optimist. Would it help to "drink the Kool-Aid", and join the merry band of the deluded?

Now I know what I need to do! :lol:

Are you a depressed person who would prefer to be cheerfully deluded, or a deluded person wishing to be a depressed realist?

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Re: Cognitive dissonance - both are true

Postby reohn2 » 4 Jan 2018, 4:22pm

bovlomov wrote:
Vorpal wrote:
bovlomov wrote:
A depressed person might be seeing the world more clearly than the optimist. Would it help to "drink the Kool-Aid", and join the merry band of the deluded?

Now I know what I need to do! :lol:

Are you a depressed person who would prefer to be cheerfully deluded, or a deluded person wishing to be a depressed realist?

How would you know the difference?
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Re: Cognitive dissonance - both are true

Postby Cyril Haearn » 4 Jan 2018, 4:59pm

Mick F wrote:
Cyril Haearn wrote:I bet 60143 Tornado could get over those hills, it is nearly new :wink:
Yes, but it won't last long.

Welded cheap and nasty boiler.


That creates lots more work +99, the crazies want to build a P8 (2-8-2) from scratch now :wink:

The Corris and the L&B have new engines and the other L&B, Listowel & Ballybunion has been resurrected, maybe the Lartigue system is the future?
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Re: Cognitive dissonance - both are true

Postby Vorpal » 4 Jan 2018, 10:44pm

bovlomov wrote:Are you a depressed person who would prefer to be cheerfully deluded, or a deluded person wishing to be a depressed realist?

I am neither, but when I read the (depressing) news, I sometimes think that it would be nicer to be deluded!
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Re: Cognitive dissonance - both are true

Postby pete75 » 6 Jan 2018, 10:48am

Cyril Haearn wrote:
pete75 wrote:
Cyril Haearn wrote:The borders railway south from Edinburgh has reopened

It was both successful and unsuccessful

Many more passengers than expected wanted to use it

But it uses old DMUs that overheat on the hills and have to cool down before proceeding

Both are true

Any more examples of cognitive dissonance?

Diolch/thanks


Sounds more like the result of incompetence to me - using clapped out and poorly maintained machinery that isn't up to the job.


Or independent/disconnected/unjoined-up thinking
I bet 60143 Tornado could get over those hills, it is nearly new :wink:


Especially pulling that weight of carriages......

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Re: Cognitive dissonance - Borders Line - both are true

Postby Cyril Haearn » 17 Apr 2018, 5:22am

The cops are tops here again
Heddlu Cymru will be using an hgv (not speed-limited :? ) to catch drivers who eat, phone, cut their toenails while moving
One earnestly hopes the driver will concentrate on driving and her mate will do the observing

Not sure why it is necessary mind, a police spokesperson assorted that the vast majority of drivers are responsible!

One could not make it up
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