Vorpal wrote: How many generation does someone have to live in the UK to be British, then?
Have a walk down Cheetham hill in Manchester. Look at how the men dress and how the women are forced
to dress. See how many speak English. Get on a bus with a dog stand near one of them. I wonder what they shout at me?
When will they they be British? For a large proportion of Muslims, no time soon. They will never see themselves as British. They don't want to, they prefer to have nothing to do with the infidel. I wonder what parts of Britain will have Sharia law first? I am of course ignoring the 100 or so sharia courts that already exist.
Just because a woman wears a hajib or a burkha doesn't mean she is forced to. Dressing like that, speaking another language, whatever reaction you see to dogs; these things are not because they are Muslim.
There is nothing in Islam that requires people to cover up completely. Many women wear it as an expression of spirituality. Not very different than a nun in habit. I think in current cultural conditions, it takes a fair amount of bravery to wear such a thing in public in a Western country.
I don't think it is reasonable for you to ascribe motives and desire to people that you do not know and have not spoken to. *all* of the British Muslims I know are citizens, contribute to their communities, send their children to British schools, etc. I expect that most are like that, and only a tiny minority even struggle with idea of living amongst infidels, let alone wish to have nothing to do with them.
Do you really think that because people speak another language among themselves that they do not know and have made no effort to learn English?
I walk around shopping centres in Norway speaking English with family. We also have some British friends, here. Should we use Norwegian among oursleves and with them, instead? Even thought Mr. V struggles with the language?
Where there are Muslims, there is Sharia. Praying five times each day is Sharia. Despite what is wrritten in some media int he UK there are no Sharia courts in the UK. Some mosques offer Sharia services, such as arbitration, Islamic divorce, advice and marriage counselling. People who use these services (such as divorce or arbitration) still have to go through British legal processes in order for anything to be legally binding.
Did you know that there have been religious courts in the UK for centuries? British Jews have used Beth Din for centuries in the UK for similar purposes of settling civil disputes. English law states that any third party can arbitrate in a dispute, if it is agreed by the parties involved. There is no reason that either a Sharia council or Beth Din cannot do this.
And courts have sometimes found very differently from Islamic arbitration (e.g. in distrubtion of property in a divorce). Worrying about 'Sharia Law' is nothing more than fear mongering. Ask a Muslim.
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