Appointments

Use this board for general non-cycling-related chat, or to introduce yourself to the forum.
User avatar
[XAP]Bob
Posts: 16947
Joined: 26 Sep 2008, 4:12pm

Re: Appointments

Postby [XAP]Bob » 10 Mar 2018, 5:44pm

pete75 wrote:
Mick F wrote:
pete75 wrote:
It is though - they have things they must do with their time you don't.
I don't think you get it.

My time is important.
Their time is important too.
My time is more important to me, than theirs is.
They expect me to turn up on time.
I expect them to turn up on time.

I'm not talking of illness or A+E or general emergencies, but routine normal non-urgent checks. The people who do these are there solely for that task.


Your time may well be important to you but to the populous in general their time is far more important.


To the population at large 60mph is acceptable through a town. Doesn’t make it so.

Time is the one thing we cannot get more of, or spend twice.

Everybody’s time is as valuable as everyone else’s.
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.

pete75
Posts: 11846
Joined: 24 Jul 2007, 2:37pm

Re: Appointments

Postby pete75 » 10 Mar 2018, 5:56pm

[XAP]Bob wrote:
pete75 wrote:
Mick F wrote:I don't think you get it.

My time is important.
Their time is important too.
My time is more important to me, than theirs is.
They expect me to turn up on time.
I expect them to turn up on time.

I'm not talking of illness or A+E or general emergencies, but routine normal non-urgent checks. The people who do these are there solely for that task.


Your time may well be important to you but to the populous in general their time is far more important.


To the population at large 60mph is acceptable through a town. Doesn’t make it so.

Time is the one thing we cannot get more of, or spend twice.



If you think the population at large regard 60mph through a town(I'm assuming you mean a 30 limit) as acceptable you're sadly mistaken.

Everybody’s time is as valuable as everyone else’s - I disagree. As i've said in another thread I'm about to be made redundant - might even call it retirement. The value of my time to the nation will then be negative. I will be drawing on economic resources but doing nothing to justify my use of them.

User avatar
[XAP]Bob
Posts: 16947
Joined: 26 Sep 2008, 4:12pm

Re: Appointments

Postby [XAP]Bob » 10 Mar 2018, 8:04pm

As I said earlier - the economic value might not be as high, but the value of everyone’s time is equal.
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.

pete75
Posts: 11846
Joined: 24 Jul 2007, 2:37pm

Re: Appointments

Postby pete75 » 10 Mar 2018, 9:16pm

[XAP]Bob wrote:As I said earlier - the economic value might not be as high, but the value of everyone’s time is equal.


If the value is lower then it is not of equal value is it?

Psamathe
Posts: 10603
Joined: 10 Jan 2014, 8:56pm

Re: Appointments

Postby Psamathe » 10 Mar 2018, 11:18pm

[XAP]Bob wrote:As I said earlier - the economic value might not be as high, but the value of everyone’s time is equal.

There are many aspects to "value" e.g. economic value, emotional value, value to individual, value to other individuals, value to society, etc., etc.

Ian

User avatar
[XAP]Bob
Posts: 16947
Joined: 26 Sep 2008, 4:12pm

Re: Appointments

Postby [XAP]Bob » 10 Mar 2018, 11:42pm

pete75 wrote:
[XAP]Bob wrote:As I said earlier - the economic value might not be as high, but the value of everyone’s time is equal.


If the value is lower then it is not of equal value is it?



If your only value is economic then you are valuing things badly
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.

User avatar
Mick F
Spambuster
Posts: 46856
Joined: 7 Jan 2007, 11:24am
Location: Tamar Valley, Cornwall

Re: Appointments

Postby Mick F » 11 Mar 2018, 8:51am

[XAP]Bob wrote:If your only value is economic then you are valuing things badly
Spot on.
Mick F. Cornwall

pete75
Posts: 11846
Joined: 24 Jul 2007, 2:37pm

Re: Appointments

Postby pete75 » 11 Mar 2018, 10:53am

[XAP]Bob wrote:
pete75 wrote:
[XAP]Bob wrote:As I said earlier - the economic value might not be as high, but the value of everyone’s time is equal.


If the value is lower then it is not of equal value is it?



If your only value is economic then you are valuing things badly


Time gains economic value from what is done with that time. It's that activity that is valuable.

User avatar
[XAP]Bob
Posts: 16947
Joined: 26 Sep 2008, 4:12pm

Re: Appointments

Postby [XAP]Bob » 11 Mar 2018, 9:51pm

No - economics is a rubbish measure of value.

Human time has immeasurable value cf+ mere economics
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.

AlaninWales
Posts: 1540
Joined: 26 Oct 2012, 1:47pm

Re: Appointments

Postby AlaninWales » 12 Mar 2018, 11:05am

pete75 wrote:
[XAP]Bob wrote:
pete75 wrote:
If the value is lower then it is not of equal value is it?



If your only value is economic then you are valuing things badly


Time gains economic value from what is done with that time. It's that activity that is valuable.

"Knows the price of everything and the value of nothing"

pete75
Posts: 11846
Joined: 24 Jul 2007, 2:37pm

Re: Appointments

Postby pete75 » 12 Mar 2018, 11:48am

AlaninWales wrote:
pete75 wrote:
[XAP]Bob wrote:

If your only value is economic then you are valuing things badly


Time gains economic value from what is done with that time. It's that activity that is valuable.

"Knows the price of everything and the value of nothing"


Tell me this then who's time is the most valuable - someone on the dole who spends his time watching TV or a nurse in an overstretched A&E doing her damndest to patch people up. If you think their time has the same value then it's you knows teh value of nothing.

User avatar
Mick F
Spambuster
Posts: 46856
Joined: 7 Jan 2007, 11:24am
Location: Tamar Valley, Cornwall

Re: Appointments

Postby Mick F » 12 Mar 2018, 11:54am

Value.

ORIGIN
Middle English: from Old French, feminine past participle of valoir ‘be worth’, from Latin valere.

noun
The regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or usefulness of something
Mick F. Cornwall

AlaninWales
Posts: 1540
Joined: 26 Oct 2012, 1:47pm

Re: Appointments

Postby AlaninWales » 12 Mar 2018, 12:02pm

pete75 wrote:
AlaninWales wrote:
pete75 wrote:
Time gains economic value from what is done with that time. It's that activity that is valuable.

"Knows the price of everything and the value of nothing"


Tell me this then who's time is the most valuable - someone on the dole who spends his time watching TV or a nurse in an overstretched A&E doing her damndest to patch people up. If you think their time has the same value then it's you knows teh value of nothing.

Each has the value that they put on it.

And since Mick F was quite specific that he was NOT talking about A&E (several times), your obtuseness in bringing that up again as an example appears to me to deliberate: Trying to get a wind up here are you?

pete75
Posts: 11846
Joined: 24 Jul 2007, 2:37pm

Re: Appointments

Postby pete75 » 12 Mar 2018, 12:57pm

AlaninWales wrote:
pete75 wrote:
AlaninWales wrote:"Knows the price of everything and the value of nothing"


Tell me this then who's time is the most valuable - someone on the dole who spends his time watching TV or a nurse in an overstretched A&E doing her damndest to patch people up. If you think their time has the same value then it's you knows teh value of nothing.

Each has the value that they put on it.

And since Mick F was quite specific that he was NOT talking about A&E (several times), your obtuseness in bringing that up again as an example appears to me to deliberate: Trying to get a wind up here are you?


No - are you?

User avatar
[XAP]Bob
Posts: 16947
Joined: 26 Sep 2008, 4:12pm

Re: Appointments

Postby [XAP]Bob » 12 Mar 2018, 5:43pm

pete75 wrote:
AlaninWales wrote:
pete75 wrote:
Time gains economic value from what is done with that time. It's that activity that is valuable.

"Knows the price of everything and the value of nothing"


Tell me this then who's time is the most valuable - someone on the dole who spends his time watching TV or a nurse in an overstretched A&E doing her damndest to patch people up. If you think their time has the same value then it's you knows teh value of nothing.


They are equally valuable.

Time is the only commodity we cannot acquire more of, we can only choose how to spend what we have, and we all have the same 168 hours a week.
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.