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Hung Parliament means Hung Parliament - the Hung Parliament thread

Postby 661-Pete » 9 Jun 2017, 7:27am

Well well! I never imagined it'd be Yours Truly invoking a new thread of a political flavour!

But it has to be said. "The People have Spoken". Their opinion must be respected for ever and ever more. No need for a re-run - ever!

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Postby blackbike » 9 Jun 2017, 7:31am

Thank goodness Labour members elected the loser Mr Corbyn as their leader.

A more mainstream leader with broader appeal would have probably won the election for Labour.

Corbyn has reduced the Labour Party to celebrating defeat as if it was a victory.

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Postby francovendee » 9 Jun 2017, 7:44am

Does a hung parliament mean?

a. The most extreme policies of the largest party now have to be moderated
b. Nothing gets done as no agreement can be reached across all parties
c. After both of the above do we have another election

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Postby thirdcrank » 9 Jun 2017, 7:46am

Thank goodness Labour members elected the loser Mr Corbyn as their leader.

A more mainstream leader with broader appeal would have probably won the election for Labour.

Corbyn has reduced the Labour Party to celebrating defeat as if it was a victory.


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Postby Edwards » 9 Jun 2017, 8:04am

blackbike wrote:Thank goodness Labour members elected the loser Mr Corbyn as their leader.

A more mainstream leader with broader appeal would have probably won the election for Labour.

Corbyn has reduced the Labour Party to celebrating defeat as if it was a victory.


What happened to the predicted tory landslide?
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Postby pwa » 9 Jun 2017, 8:21am

Help me out with a bit of maths. We are told that the magic figure for a government that does not need the support of other parties is 326, and the Tories look set to get 319. So 7 short. But Sinn Fein do not turn up. And they have 7 seats. So in practice does that bring the target down to 319?

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Postby Paulatic » 9 Jun 2017, 8:22am

blackbike wrote:Thank goodness Labour members elected the loser Mr Corbyn as their leader.

A more mainstream leader with broader appeal would have probably won the election for Labour.

Corbyn has reduced the Labour Party to celebrating defeat as if it was a victory.


I think you should be thanking the Scots who thought they were voting in an independence referendum. The Scot Tories never once mentioned it was a General Election. Take the Scot Tories off the total and what are you left with. :)
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Postby pwa » 9 Jun 2017, 8:24am

Also, in fairness, well done JC for fighting a good campaign in a decent way and, I think, winning over some people who are tired of abrasive politicians.

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Postby meic » 9 Jun 2017, 8:30am

blackbike wrote:Thank goodness Labour members elected the loser Mr Corbyn as their leader.

A more mainstream leader with broader appeal would have probably won the election for Labour.

Corbyn has reduced the Labour Party to celebrating defeat as if it was a victory.


You are forgetting how well the Labour party was doing when he inherited it.

and as for looking on the bright side
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=99488&p=936108&hilit=Corbyn#p936108

apart from that the Tories did still win and with a good proportion of the vote, the overall trend towards the right still rumbles on, at least until this generation have died off.
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Postby Canuk » 9 Jun 2017, 9:28am

meic wrote:
blackbike wrote:Thank goodness Labour members elected the loser Mr Corbyn as their leader.

A more mainstream leader with broader appeal would have probably won the election for Labour.

Corbyn has reduced the Labour Party to celebrating defeat as if it was a victory.


You are forgetting how well the Labour party was doing when he inherited it.

and as for looking on the bright side
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=99488&p=936108&hilit=Corbyn#p936108

apart from that the Tories did still win and with a good proportion of the vote, the overall trend towards the right still rumbles on, at least until this generation have died off.



ANYTHING could happen in the next two weeks. No one knows who, or how, or even if a new government will be formed (the possibility of a second election, if neither party gets a vote of confidence is very real).

So let's not count our fowl just yet...

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Postby Ben@Forest » 9 Jun 2017, 10:18am

I think May felt she was forced into calling a GE - she was working to Cameron's manifesto and had the SNP breathing down her neck (remember how politically charged Sturgeon was making Scotland/Brexit/IndyRef2).

May ran a bad campaign and Corbyn has done well, but oddly the Scotland/Brexit/IndyRef2 issue has been resolved, with 24 seats now going to Unionist parties the SNP cannot now make the case that Scotland needs to be treated differently to the rest of the UK. The SNP got 36% of the vote compared to their highwater mark of 50% in 2015, they can't do moral outrage any more.

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Postby Ben@Forest » 9 Jun 2017, 10:24am

By the way does anyone in Scotland (or just anyone) know what happened to the two SNP MPs who had the whip withdrawn in the last parliament? Did they run again for the SNP or were different candidates put up? And did they or their replacements win this time?

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Postby thirdcrank » 9 Jun 2017, 10:29am

Let's talk practicalities. The difficult woman can theoretically limp on division by division. Loads of media interest in every move in Parliament. Some will remember the last months of Callaghan's govt, MP's on life support being wheeled through the lobby, problems with "pairing" less dramatic but very inconvenient for the foot soldier lobby fodder, and all the rest of it. A lame duck struggling on from crisis to crisis. This is all in the context of the biggy: Brexit. Her own party hasn't decided a form of Brexit they can agree on. A combination of Kaa and Sinatra is no longer feasible.

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Postby mercalia » 9 Jun 2017, 10:30am

francovendee wrote:Does a hung parliament mean?

a. The most extreme policies of the largest party now have to be moderated
b. Nothing gets done as no agreement can be reached across all parties
c. After both of the above do we have another election


d. Osborne I'll-be-back is smirking and planning his return as PM ( god help us )

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Postby meic » 9 Jun 2017, 10:31am

Well, she is now on her way to the Queen to request her post as Prime Minister.
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