Whippet wrote:I’m hoping that the young Momentum element will stop paying their membership fees when they don’t get their glorious revolution at the next election. Then maybe more moderate members will be able to have more of a say in policy and leadership. I’ve actually joined recently in the hope of adding my vote to this cause.
Actually, I don’t have a problem with increasing tax and properly funding the NHS and public services. It’s more his world view, he seems to come from that particular group of 60’s Vietnam era lefties for whom America ( and by proxy Israel ) is the greatest enemy we face. I think his foreign policy would be a disaster.
I assume MM is liverpudlian (I refuse to use the term Scouser). I'm very interested to know his real opinions on Degsy. I have mine.
Coming from a Liverpool born and bred parent / background I grew up (both physically and politically) with news of Degsy and the Liverpool militant problem. In the car listening to local radio news, reading local papers (freebie and paid for). Put it this way his shower of (word self deleted) did a lot of damage to Labour and Liverpool. I've got too much of the Liverpool chip on my shoulder to accept that Degsy is allowed back into a mainstream party.
Is it a sign that Labour are no longer a mainstream party? It's a mistake that will no doubt be corrected with the first reasonable leader to come along after Corbyn and his allies. Unless old Degsy doesn't last that long. How old is he now?
Tangled Metal wrote:I assume MM is liverpudlian (I refuse to use the term Scouser). I'm very interested to know his real opinions on Degsy. I have mine.
Coming from a Liverpool born and bred parent / background I grew up (both physically and politically) with news of Degsy and the Liverpool militant problem. In the car listening to local radio news, reading local papers (freebie and paid for). Put it this way his shower of (word self deleted) did a lot of damage to Labour and Liverpool. I've got too much of the Liverpool chip on my shoulder to accept that Degsy is allowed back into a mainstream party.
Is it a sign that Labour are no longer a mainstream party? It's a mistake that will no doubt be corrected with the first reasonable leader to come along after Corbyn and his allies. Unless old Degsy doesn't last that long. How old is he now?
He is 71. As someone who is 70 this year I generally wish 70 somethings a long life.
Tangled Metal wrote:I assume MM is liverpudlian (I refuse to use the term Scouser). I'm very interested to know his real opinions on Degsy. I have mine.
Coming from a Liverpool born and bred parent / background I grew up (both physically and politically) with news of Degsy and the Liverpool militant problem. In the car listening to local radio news, reading local papers (freebie and paid for). Put it this way his shower of (word self deleted) did a lot of damage to Labour and Liverpool. I've got too much of the Liverpool chip on my shoulder to accept that Degsy is allowed back into a mainstream party.
Is it a sign that Labour are no longer a mainstream party? It's a mistake that will no doubt be corrected with the first reasonable leader to come along after Corbyn and his allies. Unless old Degsy doesn't last that long. How old is he now?
He is 71. As someone who is 70 this year I generally wish 70 somethings a long life.
Oh! That's young enough to have enough time to do damage to the labour party. Why let him out of the socialist wasteland and into the pleasant Valley of more mainstream socialism? It's a mistake that will come back to bite Corbyn on the bum!
Tangled Metal wrote:........ It's a mistake that will come back to bite Corbyn on the bum!
I agree,Degsy is nowt but trouble.
Not that I am a member of the Labour Party but a party which welcomes Hatton would not make me feel at home.
Bingo! That's part of the trouble I'm talking about. You're not a member but there's people like you who are more moderate socialists (there! assumption made) who would be put off by the optics of a Degsy spouting his militancy on a Labour platform again. Would that cause the traditional Labour, full members to reconsider membership? I can guarantee there will end up with footage of him on a labour platform sooner or later. He's too vain to avoid it!
Hi there, Yes, MM is Liverpool born & bred! Hatton was never part of the working class, "Shirking Class" yes! As a fireman he suffered segs on his bottom from causing meeting then prevaricating his way through them, Union Rep didn't know what a fire looked like. With the rest of his ilk they made the Leader of LCC, John Hamilton, look like a prize Wally. John was a Quaker who never saw evil in anyone, a real gentleman, but the Militant Tendency controlled everything, might even have rationed his toilet paper, only Socialist Hard Izal to be available! The mob then bribed the Council Tenants to secure their unswerving loyalty, the rest of us picked up the bill. My wife still has her Redundancy Notice, a first for a Labour Council, bins left to overflow, dead unburied, a small sample of the ills the put us through! I actually mistrust all personal details about Degsy. But one had to laugh at the behaviour of Chez Hatton. In 1984 Liverpool held the National Garden Festival. May day with the mercury rising, Comrade Hatton and his good lady took up the freebie to look around the site. Degsy in his sharp Italian style suit, his SWMBO wearing her fur coat and dripping with gold jewellerry, I say dripping literally, as she was sweating like the proverbial pig in the heat. So personal wealth and it's trappings wasn't a total anathema to our champagne socialists? All of the tangible assets of this ruling class were safely secure from Thatcher the Snatcher's grip, so the Courts got none of them. But of course our small assets were vulnerable at the behest of Degsy's looney Left. The City was sold of to the Swiss bankers, took years and years to sort out the mess.So you could say that his track record is somewhat poor! Hard left or hard right, both are bloody tough on us in the middle, book ends Degsy & JRM? Who can save us, don't hold out for God to come to the rescue! IGICB MM
If anyone really understands what's going on here, let us know....
Suppose that this room is a lift. The support breaks and down we go with ever-increasing velocity. Let us pass the time by performing physical experiments... --- Arthur Eddington (creator of the Eddington Number).
What I remember is the decay of Liverpool. We used to drive across Liverpool and under it and through to Chester. It felt like a music video or zombie movie set with tatty, boarded up and caged shops with the upstairs dark, foreboding and with all the windows smashed. Tiles falling off the roofs. It gave me the creeps.
Then there the old Dock Road. That road could take 4x4s out its that bad. Then he old Dock buildings were in a bad state of repair. It felt like everywhere was falling apart to me as a young kid.
Then you see the socialists in power on TV. Smart suited and booted Degsy. The stories you'd hear of things gone wrong from people my gran knew. She knew pretty much everyone in her neck of the woods and plenty of people around Liverpool. The stories I heard would have been shocking if you heard them now.
As bad as Ken Livingstone's glc was nothing compared to the millitant labour corruption. It's probably why I am more centre right in politics. I'd have been centre left or more left if I hadn't grown up learning what the looney left can do to a city let alone a nation.
It is likely the fear of militancy in the current Labour Party that's stopping me looking deeper into Corbyn's policies. And I didn't actually live in the area they controlled the council of.
Hi Cyril Haearn, Who's responsible for the vibrant, booming Liverpool? Certainly not Peel Holdings! They where gifted all of the Docks by TBW, the Milk Snatcher, when MD&HC went belly up! Should gave reverted to the original families who gifted the land used to create the docks, but the << emotive hate word >> circumvented the law. They still laud it over a string of crumbling wet holes & warehouses. You can see it all in later series of "Foyle's War". The city is popular for film making. The teeth of Degsy's power where pulled when all of the council own houses where gifted by that << person >> again, her friends the new era slum landlords! No more re-decoration bribes to buy votes. Instead we get yet another breed of grasping parasites to frequent the Westminster Gas-works, including << a person >> . Neil Kinnock must be laughing his socks off? TTFN (from another Liverpool comic) MM "Can I do you now sir?". Dorothy Summers I.T.M.A.
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