Corbyn to be PM within 6 months?

[ChrisOntLancs]

blackbike's closer on the fashionably left is sound IMO, even as a lefty. it's a little tough sometimes at uni, to have somebody preaching to you constantly, trying to convince you of what you already know. being a mature student, i know what happened to all my friends that went to uni. they'd be wearing a che guvara t shirt for three years, then when they graduate into the rat race they suddenly stop becoming so liberal. it's fair enough too, whose political inclinations aren't born out of circumstance?

this time round i'm not so worried. since middle class people started to realise what side of the class war they are on the divide is closing fast.

and in this post i have alienated myself from both sides of the argument

[bovlomov]

What all of a sudden makes Corbie a leader, I remember that everyone was saying he's not!

The public perception of Corbyn prior to the election campaign was built on very few facts. Now people have seen him, they can judge him on what he is rather than what the media says he is. For some he is worse than they thought, but for most he is considerably better than they were told. Well, that wouldn't be difficult.

I don't suppose he has changed much since we were told he'd be gone before Christmas (2015), but much of the received wisdom about him has turned out to be cobblers.

[reohn2]

Corbyn,oh! Corbyn,
I wish there were more of him.
Alas we have Theresa,
Who looks even weaker,
After the billion pounds it's cost her
To buy the votes of Arlene Foster

[Mick F]

All it needs is a vote of no confidence.
The government falls, and then we have a general election .............. no matter what fixed terms we are supposed to have.

[661-Pete]

All those Glastonbury (a) socialists and revolutionaries might take to the streets and stage a coup and install their beloved Jeremy as their leader - once they've got back from the Henley Regatta (b), Wimbledon (c), Glyndebourne (d) and the other events on their social calendar.

(a) Never been there.
(b) Never been there.
(c) Never been there.
(d) OK OK I confess - I have been there. Was to a concert, not an opera - a lot cheaper! And we didn't picnic on the lawns (exorbitant!). And the concert wasn't much good after all that.

What does this make me? A socialist? A revolutionary? Both? Neither?

[reohn2]

All those Glastonbury (a) socialists and revolutionaries might take to the streets and stage a coup and install their beloved Jeremy as their leader - once they've got back from the Henley Regatta (b), Wimbledon (c), Glyndebourne (d) and the other events on their social calendar.

(a) Never been there.
(b) Never been there.
(c) Never been there.
(d) OK OK I confess - I have been there. Was to a concert, not an opera - a lot cheaper! And we didn't picnic on the lawns (exorbitant!). And the concert wasn't much good after all that.

What does this make me? A socialist? A revolutionary? Both? Neither?

Careful blackbike'll think your blaming him for pigeonholing people.

[Cunobelin]

The Glastonbury "interviews" showed once again how populist Corbyn is. Promise your audience whatehey want to hear and of course you will be popular

It included the news that one of his first and prioritised tasks is to scrap Trident... the one he is scrapping, his Party isn't scrapping, he then wasn't scrapping because it is Party policy, but apparently isn't following Party Policy despite agreeing that he was and is now again going against Party Policy and scrapping it

If May "flip-flops" on polices then Corbyn spins like a top

[francovendee]

The very worst thing the Labour party could do at the moment is get elected to become the Government.

The fall out from Brexit is going to leave the country and the population in a lot of difficulties.

The Tory press will portray this as another example of the Labour parties poor management of the UK's finances and point to similarities in the 70's .

No, let the Tories enjoy the mess they have created until more people see what inter-party squabbling has caused the country.

Then I would be very pleased see a return of a Labour Government to get us out of the mess.

[Psamathe]

The Glastonbury "interviews" showed once again how populist Corbyn is. Promise your audience whatehey want to hear and of course you will be popular

It included the news that one of his first and prioritised tasks is to scrap Trident... the one he is scrapping, his Party isn't scrapping, he then wasn't scrapping because it is Party policy, but apparently isn't following Party Policy despite agreeing that he was and is now again going against Party Policy and scrapping it

If May "flip-flops" on polices then Corbyn spins like a top

I think you have to distinguish between what Corbyn wants to do (as an individual) and what Labour would do (as a party). It is never going to be the case that everybody in a Party agrees with every Party policy. Corbyn has always been against Trident and has always said he wants to scrap it. But he has also said that Labour Party policy is to keep Trident so he as a Labour Party PM would be implementing Labour policies (and I've seen him say that he would work for a nuclear free world through other means (TV interview)).

Corbyn has been completely consistent on this. May however is telling us one thing one minute then changing the next. So a massive difference between the 2.

Ian

[Psamathe]

The very worst thing the Labour party could do at the moment is get elected to become the Government.

The fall out from Brexit is going to leave the country and the population in a lot of difficulties.

The Tory press will portray this as another example of the Labour parties poor management of the UK's finances and point to similarities in the 70's :roll: .

No, let the Tories enjoy the mess they have created until more people see what inter-party squabbling has caused the country.

Then I would be very pleased see a return of a Labour Government to get us out of the mess.

I agree but also I now think Labour would make a lot less of a mess on Brexit than the Conservatives will. Conservatives are ideologically driven by a weak PM whose only interests are for her to remain in power (whatever the cost to the country). Threats to overthrow her will push her to a Brexit suiting the "back to Empire" Tory Grandees rather than one in the best interests (or least damaging) for the country as a whole.

Labour however would be seeking the less damaging Brexit in the interests of the majority in the UK.

Ok, they are both going to be complete disasters and will damage the country for many many years to come (next generation being those to really suffer) but I think Labour's would be far better for the UK. And the damage would be far to high a price to paay for damging the Conservatives prospects at the next election.

Ian

[reohn2]

The Glastonbury "interviews" showed once again how populist Corbyn is. Promise your audience whatehey want to hear and of course you will be popular

It included the news that one of his first and prioritised tasks is to scrap Trident... the one he is scrapping, his Party isn't scrapping, he then wasn't scrapping because it is Party policy, but apparently isn't following Party Policy despite agreeing that he was and is now again going against Party Policy and scrapping it

If May "flip-flops" on polices then Corbyn spins like a top

You couldnt be more wrong about Corbyn,he's thoroughly consistently honest and truthful about he position on nuclear weapons and other policies and has been throughout his political life,which more than can be said for May other than she and the Tory party are consistent liars!

[661-Pete]

Careful blackbike'll think your blaming him for pigeonholing people.

Worse things happen in your average school playground. Furthermore, I've accused bb of far worse - but I think I may have crossed a line back then - or at least so the Mods thought .

Incidentally, be careful of your poetical offerings! Or I'll show them to Mrs P (who writes poetry)......

[reohn2]

Careful blackbike'll think your blaming him for pigeonholing people.

Worse things happen in your average school playground. Furthermore, I've accused bb of far worse - but I think I may have crossed a line back then - or at least so the Mods thought .

Incidentally, be careful of your poetical offerings! Or I'll show them to Mrs P (who writes poetry)......

I make no apology for a bit of rhyme nor lay claim to being a poetry.

[horizon]

:D I am off to Betfred!

Al

Here are three things to consider before you part with your cash (either way):

1. If a general election is called could Corbyn win it? ATM, yes.
2. Could the DUP deal collapse or the Tory majority be whittled away by illness etc? If so, Corbyn might be able to put forward his own minority government.
3. Will the Tories have a leadership contest? And would it trigger an election? Well possibly yes and possibly yes - then see 1. above.

The reason why your money is safe betting against Corbyn becoming PM is because of the likelihood of his becoming PM. They'll be no Tory leadership challenge (remember it's astounding she's still there) as that might trigger an election which they fear Cobyn would win. And the DUP are now chained to the Tories for the same reason. The Tories are now like rabbits caught in the headlights of Jeremy Corbyn. My goodness, that it has come to this - the man is a giant.

[Vorpal]

Bloody unlikely, IMV

It's rather like people hoping that Trump will be impeached.

The Tories will find a way to keep, and even tighten their grip on government.