Auferstanden aus Ruinen - we love Germany!

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Re: Auferstanden aus Ruinen - we love Germany!

Postby Cyril Haearn » 19 Feb 2020, 4:19pm

An american purveyor of electric vehicles wants to build a huge factory in Gruenheide, green heath, near Berlin, planning applications are not complete

Nature lovers got a court injunction to halt felling of trees on the site, +1!
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Re: Auferstanden aus Ruinen - we love Germany!

Postby Cyril Haearn » 8 Mar 2020, 6:49am

Looks like the factory shall be built, politicians do almost anything for 'more jobs', although the area is apparently booming, even overheating, -1
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East Germany, the DDR, Neufuenfland: the 'Old Germany', in positive and negative senses

West Germany (BRD): The New Germany?
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Re: Auferstanden aus Ruinen - we love Germany!

Postby carpetcleaner » 8 Mar 2020, 12:55pm

I wouldn't want to live in a country where the far right is doing so well.

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Re: Auferstanden aus Ruinen - we love Germany!

Postby Cyril Haearn » 8 Mar 2020, 7:23pm

carpetcleaner wrote:I wouldn't want to live in a country where the far right is doing so well.

The left is doing well too, Ramelow just got voted back in after some confusion
The normal parties are trying to ostracise the afd, with some success
Besides, Germany is bound into Europe now
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Re: Auferstanden aus Ruinen - we love Germany!

Postby carpetcleaner » 9 Mar 2020, 10:59am

Cyril Haearn wrote:
carpetcleaner wrote:I wouldn't want to live in a country where the far right is doing so well.

The left is doing well too, Ramelow just got voted back in after some confusion
The normal parties are trying to ostracise the afd, with some success
Besides, Germany is bound into Europe now


Oh, that's all right then.

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Re: Auferstanden aus Ruinen - we love Germany!

Postby Nigelrojo » 9 Mar 2020, 2:01pm

Ben@Forest wrote:
mercalia wrote:The state of the German Military

Germany’s military has become a complete joke
It can’t fulfil its role as a Nato member, let alone form the heart of a European defence force


Glad to know Germany not the model of perfection it would like us to think it is? Has been living the fat life for too long?

Seems like the EU shouldnt be relying on Germany anymore?


It's a probably sad fact that countries with competent military forces, even if sometimes under resourced in some environments, are countries that use them. Thus the forces of US, Russia, UK, France have relevant experience. So, of course, do Israel but their forces are unique to their own region and aren't deployed further afield.

But the German forces haven't been usefully employed since 1945. There were of course restrictions on German deployments and being at the front line of the Cold War meant German forces could sit at home, with a large conscript army and showing how much they contributed to NATO through training facilities and so on.

Things have changed since then, but the German outlook hasn't. As an outsider looking in l think the Germans should get over their Nazi hangover and deploy troops usefully, but they don't. And l know that having spent time with Germans as recently as May they did haven't got over the 'Nazizeit'.


The Bundeswehr in the late 1980s was large, well organised and very well-equipped (I was a British Army staff officer & used to bemoan the fact that they (and the Americans) always seemed to have better kit than us). The Germans were by far the largest land forces contributor on the crucial NATO Central Front, giving the lie to Ross Clark's line that they "contracted" out defence to other countries. But nowadays it is indeed a very different story. I can understand the Germans not wanting to support questionable US military adventures in the Middle East. But they do need to get real about the continuing Russian threat in Eastern Europe, as the Poles and Balts already are. I'd say that, to pull its weight,Germany needs at least 300,000 military personnel and maybe 5 divisions deployable to eastern Poland or the Baltics. That NATO eastern frontier is at present woefully exposed.

On a happier subject, I was having a great cycle tour through central Germany last summer until I fell off one of those silly little rental electric scooters and broke a metacarpal. I even managed to cross the Thuringerwald from Coburg to Weimar in a day with a loaded bike.

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Re: Auferstanden aus Ruinen - we love Germany!

Postby Cyril Haearn » 6 May 2020, 4:37pm

I think Mrs Merkel is quite good (careful, serious, better properties than bojo maybe), she is a scientist, her dad was a reverend (you can take the girl out of the lab/church, but you cannae take the lab/church out of the girl)

Little-known fact: she was born in Hamburg, the family moved to the east to serve the church
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