meic wrote: ... I think the teenagers would rather be dead than be seen on a bike (even an ebike)....
I'm happy to defer to your knowledge of a much younger generation than mine. I was only making guesses.
meic wrote: ... I think the teenagers would rather be dead than be seen on a bike (even an ebike)....
horizon wrote:reohn2 wrote:
I think Horizon is massively mistaken
i am not ttrying to catch you out, but this is a quote from a post of yours on a parallel thread:IMO Ebikes/Ecycling needs a section of it's own and not an infringment this section.
I think Ebikes popularity is about to explode in the UK much as it's done in the rest of Europe.
To ignore it and try to lump it in with another section is to miss it's appeal as another facet of cycling in its own right IMO
My 2d's worth
I'm genuinely confused here and might have got the wrong end of the stick so a clarification would be good.
meic wrote:........ I think the teenagers would rather be dead than be seen on a bike (even an ebike).
Parents are more easy to be blackmailed into acting as chauffeurs than expecting teenagers to independently take care of their own mobility needs.
meic wrote:I cant see that the law would be either written or interpreted in that way. That the same vehicle which is a cycle when ridden by an adult becomes a motorcycle when ridden by a child.
meic wrote:More likely there is a separate regulation banning its use by under 14's ...... In effect it would still be forbidden on Sustrans tracks but not because it is a "motorcycle".
Cyril Haearn wrote:A powered two-wheeler is much more like a bike than a car
I would be very surprised if many upgraded from car to e-bike
jgurney wrote:horizon wrote:gaz wrote:
Upwards - I hadn't even thought about youngsters. You have to be 14 to ride an EAPC on the road. That I presume leaves all the Sustrans paths, cycle routes, canals .....
It does not, any more than under-14's can ride motorcycles in those places. 'Road' in the context above does not mean 'place where motor vehicles go', but means 'places where the public can go by any means'. A person under 14 can ride an EAPC in the same circumstances that they can ride a motorcycle - on private property without public access, with the landowners agreement.
thirdcrank wrote: The other would be people who see cycling on the telly and somehow think the bike draws you along and get a rude shock. An electric bike might make their dreams come true.
horizon wrote:thirdcrank wrote: The other would be people who see cycling on the telly and somehow think the bike draws you along and get a rude shock. An electric bike might make their dreams come true.
It's the perfect storm: you can have the wind in your hair, be free of traffic jams, need no insurance, get fit and healthy and sail up the hills. It really is a dream - except that it is now real. EAPCs have drawn a wonderful legal line between motorbikes and cycles. Unfortunately they have blurred the line between powered and unpowered bicycles. It's just a small attachment . . .
horizon wrote:softlips wrote: I work in Copenhagen, Amsterdam and other big cycling cities and have yet to see an electric bike in any of them.
Like I said, it isn't Autumn yet, only a few leaves turning gold.
I am estimating that 90% of bike sales will be battery powered within 5 years and that seeing someone on an unpowered bicycle will become an oddity.
I won't be editing my first post so that we can return to the thread in 2022 and see if I was right! And yes, there are people who don't have mobile phones, still use film in their cameras and wind up their alarm clock every night: the 10%.
Flinders wrote: I can't see any reason to want one..
meic wrote: ... I think the teenagers would rather be dead than be seen on a bike (even an ebike)....
horizon wrote: ... It's the perfect storm: you can have the wind in your hair, be free of traffic jams, need no insurance, get fit and healthy and sail up the hills. It really is a dream - except that it is now real. EAPCs have drawn a wonderful legal line between motorbikes and cycles. Unfortunately they have blurred the line between powered and unpowered bicycles. It's just a small attachment . . .
thirdcrank wrote:horizon wrote: ... It's the perfect storm: you can have the wind in your hair, be free of traffic jams, need no insurance, get fit and healthy and sail up the hills. It really is a dream - except that it is now real. EAPCs have drawn a wonderful legal line between motorbikes and cycles. Unfortunately they have blurred the line between powered and unpowered bicycles. It's just a small attachment . . .
To use one of your own phrases, I'm not trying to catch you out but somewhere above you said that this thread was only about the validity of your prediction. That looks to me like a very emotive value judgment about these bikes