Catalonia: Democracy (European style)

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Psamathe wrote:
mercalia wrote:so Mr Rajoy visits Barcelona

Speaking at a campaign event in Barcelona for his Popular Party (PP) on Sunday, Mr Rajoy called on the participation of the "silent majority" to "convert their voice into a vote".

"We must recover Catalonia from the havoc of separatism," he added.


well thats a very politic way to win over the large number who dont think that way?

He clearly not the man for the job? and doesnt look like the understands the numbers?

Mr Rajoy's PP won just 8.5% of the vote in the last regional elections two years ago.

What "numbers" doesn't he understand ?

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the following line 8.5% :lol:

if he wanted to visit Catalonia he should have been more concilatory - like restoring the powers that his party some time ago rescinded from a constitutional agreement some time ago? But no he wants to brand those who dont agree with him as delinquents :roll: nice one Rajoy :lol: Just a stubborn old man whose formative years were the Franco era and its solns just suppression
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mercalia wrote:
Psamathe wrote:
mercalia wrote:so Mr Rajoy visits Barcelona

Speaking at a campaign event in Barcelona for his Popular Party (PP) on Sunday, Mr Rajoy called on the participation of the "silent majority" to "convert their voice into a vote".

"We must recover Catalonia from the havoc of separatism," he added.


well thats a very politic way to win over the large number who dont think that way?

He clearly not the man for the job? and doesnt look like the understands the numbers?

Mr Rajoy's PP won just 8.5% of the vote in the last regional elections two years ago.

What "numbers" doesn't he understand ?

Ian


the following line 8.5% :lol:

if he wanted to visit Catalonia he should have been more concilatory - like restoring the powers that his party some time ago rescinded from a constitutional agreement some time ago? But no he wants to brand those who dont agree with him as delinquents :roll:

I don't see him accusing those who don't agree with him of being delinquents (from what you posted).

So how/why does supporting your party's campaign when they only got 8.5% of the vote last time make hin "He clearly not the man for the job?". In fact, what job is he "not the man for"? Does any politician getting below some threshold make him "not the man for the job". Clearly then UKIP has never had the right man for the job.

You may dislike him or disapprove of Spain but I can't understand the grounds for your criticism about his campaigning. He is the PM of Spain and it would be surprising if he did not support his party's campaign; in fact if he didn't support his party's campaign you could say he "was not the man for the job".

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The Madrid-forced regional election will be held on 21 December. Madrid has withdrawn the international arrest warrant for those in Belgium and they will campaign from exile, while the ministers who remained will campaign from prison.

Current opinion polls suggest that the parties of the independence government would just get a new majority coalition, although in different alliances so there would be negotiation and it might not happen like that, but the big winners looks like being the confused-populist anti-independence Cs, while PP is heading for losing half its seats - a bitter lump of coal for Christmas for its leader Rajoy.
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it seems that Spain withdrew the international arrest warrent becuase the Belgian judge had decided it was without merit , if you bleieve the Local

"Paul Bekaert, Puigdemont's Belgian lawyer, told AFP the judge had declared the case to be "without merit" during a closed-door hearing. "


https://www.thelocal.es/20171214/belgium-ends-extradition-case-against-catalan-leader
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so Mr Rajoy's conservative Popular Party has done a Mrs May - called elections in Catalonia and results in a failure to get support for Spain?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42451100
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Oh no! President Puigdemont travelled from Belgium to Finland, on the way back he was arrested by the German police on the A7 motorway near Schleswig
The Spanish secret service had been shadowing him apparently (how did they stay incognito in Scandinavia?)
Could be that he will be sent back to 'Spain'
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Cyril Haearn wrote:Oh no! President Puigdemont travelled from Belgium to Finland, on the way back he was arrested by the German police on the A7 motorway near Schleswig
The Spanish secret service had been shadowing him apparently (how did they stay incognito in Scandinavia?)
Could be that he will be sent back to 'Spain'

well when he was in Belgium he wasnt as the international arrest warrant dont recognise political offences like rebellion, the authorities did consider matters but dropped it. Hopefully this is just tuetonic fastidiousness as it seems that Spain is imprisoning all those who took part in the referendum? The Spanish authorities just havent moved on from Franco have they, only thinking in terms of punishment and force - it seems the majority in Catalonia now are against independance so the sensible thing is to let the issue shrivel rather than antagonise. But then what do you expect from a country that wont recognise the right of the Gibralterans to self detemination that goes back 300 years is it?
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mercalia wrote:
Cyril Haearn wrote:Oh no! President Puigdemont travelled from Belgium to Finland, on the way back he was arrested by the German police on the A7 motorway near Schleswig
The Spanish secret service had been shadowing him apparently (how did they stay incognito in Scandinavia?)
Could be that he will be sent back to 'Spain'

well when he was in Belgium he wasnt as the international arrest warrant dont recognise political offences like rebellion, the authorities did consider matters but dropped it. Hopefully this is just tuetonic fastidiousness as it seems that Spain is imprisoning all those who took part in the referendum? The Spanish authorities just havent moved on from Franco have they, only thinking in terms of punishment and force - it seems the majority in Catalonia now are against independance so the sensible thing is to let the issue shrivel rather than antagonise. But then what do you expect from a country that wont recognise the right of the Gibralterans to self detemination that goes back 300 years is it?

When you rage against the machine,however peaceful,the machine shows it's true colours,in the form of its teeth........ .......at least he'll be counting his blessings he's not Russian.....
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The Spanish authorities sent an extradition request in Spanish to Finland
P had left the country before it could be translated. Into English :wink:
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An arrest warrant has been issued for Clara Ponsati who is currently working at St Andrews university. She was a member of the Catalan government at the time of the “ illegal” referendum. She is reported as going to surrender to the police. This is a matter reserved for Westminster and the Scottish Government although enraged at this move have their hands tied. They seem a nasty vengeful lot these Spaniards.
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ambodach wrote:An arrest warrant has been issued for Clara Ponsati who is currently working at St Andrews university. She was a member of the Catalan government at the time of the “ illegal” referendum. She is reported as going to surrender to the police. This is a matter reserved for Westminster and the Scottish Government although enraged at this move have their hands tied. They seem a nasty vengeful lot these Spaniards.


well I hope it is used as toilet paper, thats all its fit for, then send it back to Spain :lol:
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ambodach wrote:An arrest warrant has been issued for Clara Ponsati who is currently working at St Andrews university. She was a member of the Catalan government at the time of the “ illegal” referendum. She is reported as going to surrender to the police. This is a matter reserved for Westminster and the Scottish Government although enraged at this move have their hands tied. They seem a nasty vengeful lot these Spaniards.

They could back off, they have already won
Nations can be just as stupid and destructive as individuals :(
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ambodach wrote:....They seem a nasty vengeful lot these Spaniards.

Although look at the UK - (not that I have that much sympathy for him these days), the only "charge" remaining against Assange is breaking his bail conditions (Sweden has apparently dropped all charges and withdrawn the arrest warrant). And how much are the UK government spending (of our money) with Police outside the Ecuadorian Embassy 24/7 to prevent his escape?

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Spain is being really dim. At the moment that Catalan independence movement is predominantly peaceful. The best way to turn it into a terrorist campaign is to reject a popular vote, then make martyrs of the independence leaders. Stamp out all peaceful means and all that remains is the alternative. How can they be so stupid?
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pwa wrote:Spain is being really dim. At the moment that Catalan independence movement is predominantly peaceful. The best way to turn it into a terrorist campaign is to reject a popular vote, then make martyrs of the independence leaders. Stamp out all peaceful means and all that remains is the alternative. How can they be so stupid?

Exactly!
Not that I think there'll be a violent terrorist backlash from independent ranks,but you never know :?
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