Should the British bill the EU for saving it in WW2?

[mercalia]

Should the British (and Americans and Russians) bill the EU ( countries) for saving them in WW2?

seems like saving the continent of europe from the Nazi's dont mean much any more to them, according to Juncker.

"Jean-Claude Juncker said any gratitude for the UK’s military defence of the continent did not exempt it from paying its dues, insisting: “Now they have to pay.” "

Not as if we benefitted from it? Quite the opposite, WW2 bankrupted this country? and we had to go with cap in hand to the Americans who turned the screw on us? we could have let the Germans control Europe ( They did offer not to interfer in our empire?)

Maybe time to bill them for the job and offset that against any money we "owe" them? in fact they owe us billions?
I would like to see Junckers face as he fumes over his bottle of wine

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/13/brexit-war-of-words-heats-up-as-enemy-eu-tells-britain-to-pay-up?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=247901&subid=7646217&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

[reohn2]

How far back in history do you want to go?

[mercalia]

How far back in history do you want to go?

only as far back as the modern states about 60 or so years. Its Juncker who wants to forget and think that the cost we suffered was out of the goodness of our heart? if so then time for the same attitude from the EU?

"Speaking to students at Luxembourg University, he turned up the pressure on Theresa May over the Brexit divorce bill by acknowledging Europe’s debt of gratitude to the country “during the war, after the war, before the war”, but adding: “Now they have to pay.” "

Now the EU has to pay? They can afford to make it easy for us to leave as we are thus a very special case, that no other EU country can cite as a precedent should they want to leave ( thats the EU's fear? )

[roubaixtuesday]

Should the British bill the EU fro saving it in WW2?

A great question which neatly encapsulates the unreality of Brexiters, hopelessly lost in a mythic past and quite unable to engage with the world as it is, rather than how they'd like it to be.

[mercalia]

Should the British bill the EU fro saving it in WW2?

A great question which neatly encapsulates the unreality of Brexiters, hopelessly lost in a mythic past and quite unable to engage with the world as it is, rather than how they'd like it to be.

read my expansion of why they should recognise a debt and pay it by making it easy for us to leave.
equivalent to a golden handshake

[reohn2]

Should the British bill the EU fro saving it in WW2?

A great question which neatly encapsulates the unreality of Brexiters, hopelessly lost in a mythic past and quite unable to engage with the world as it is, rather than how they'd like it to be.

+1
The UK went into the EU on equal terms and agreeing to the rules laid down,now it seems some wish to change those rules to suit themselves.
The Uk really is out on a limb and insists on walking further away from the 'tree trunk',which means the limb gets thinner the further it walks.
How soon before the limb breaks

[honesty]

Apart from being a ludicrous thing to try and suggest for a modern country about something that is unrelated to the EU... they already did https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_reparations

[reohn2]

Apart from being a ludicrous thing to try and suggest for a modern country about something that is unrelated to the EU... they already did https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_reparations

So there you have it the debt was paid.
Now back to reality

[mercalia]

Apart from being a ludicrous thing to try and suggest for a modern country about something that is unrelated to the EU... they already did https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_reparations

The EU dont just comprise Germany but the other EU countries incl France. Belgium. Netherlands etc who are just as indebted even more so. As I said above if any one bothered to read , more a matter of making it easy for us to leave rather than getting its pound of flesh, which is the EU's attitude at the moment - Juncker brought up the connection it seems between the debt that the Eu countries owe and the present debt we "owe" and decided to ignore the first as mere gratitude: maybe the EU should be grateful we were part of the EU for the last few decades and leave it as that?

[PH]

Some of those EU countries which became Soviet satellite states might question who won the war and in what way they were saved. Who is going to compensate them?
But this is an academic debate for historians. The idiocy of the UKs chief negotiator calling the EU the enemy, demonstrates how deep a hole they've dug, we'll all be paying for that.

[old_windbag]

The WW2 connection is quite tenuous in the extreme. I thought we joined the EU around 30yrs after the start of the war, so plenty of time to navel gaze and decide on whether the T's and C's were suitable for us. The payments we have to pay to exit are only similar to paying any owed tax in a tax year, just payments for commitments we agreed to but want to pull out of early.

Back to WW2 though, a lot of respect has to be paid to the germans in light of all the engineering advances they made during that period( putting aside the politics it sat upon ) considering the size of the country and it's access to only scientists and engineers within its own bounds. It took most nations of the world to pull together with huge access to scientists and resources to defeat them. In the final months of the war the weapons the germans were creating were exceptionally advanced and led to many of the post war weapons the US and it's allies further developed, also including the input to the apollo moon missions.

[bikepacker]

Should the British (and Americans and Russians) bill the EU ( countries) for saving them in WW2?

Yes.

[reohn2]

Should the British (and Americans and Russians) bill the EU ( countries) for saving them in WW2?

Yes.

Care to elaborate?

[bikepacker]

Should the British (and Americans and Russians) bill the EU ( countries) for saving them in WW2?

Yes.

Care to elaborate?

No.

[mercalia]

I am surprised that Trump hasnt