Is Trump Mad?

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Is Trump Mad?

yes
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no
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maybe
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mercalia
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Re: Is Trump Mad?

Postby mercalia » 5 Feb 2018, 10:47pm

well Trump would have repealed that stupid law, made by Blaire wasnt it? that is costing our country a great deal, that gives £12bn of our much needed money to other countries, when we need it at home?

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Re: Is Trump Mad?

Postby reohn2 » 6 Feb 2018, 10:43am

mercalia wrote:well Trump would have repealed that stupid law, made by Blaire wasnt it? that is costing our country a great deal, that gives £12bn of our much needed money to other countries, when we need it at home?

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Re: Is Trump Mad?

Postby kwackers » 6 Feb 2018, 10:50am

reohn2 wrote:A simplistic view of overseas aid.

Simplistic? Isn't that atypical of the sort of right wing politics pushed by the likes of the DM?
Anyway £12bn - peanuts. We printed £500bn when we needed it, should have added another 12 on top. I doubt anyone would have noticed.

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Re: Is Trump Mad?

Postby mercalia » 6 Feb 2018, 12:39pm

kwackers wrote:
reohn2 wrote:A simplistic view of overseas aid.

Simplistic? Isn't that atypical of the sort of right wing politics pushed by the likes of the DM?
Anyway £12bn - peanuts. We printed £500bn when we needed it, should have added another 12 on top. I doubt anyone would have noticed.



well wasnt that the amount cut off from the welfare budget that has affected many badly?

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Re: Is Trump Mad?

Postby kwackers » 6 Feb 2018, 12:59pm

mercalia wrote:well wasnt that the amount cut off from the welfare budget that has affected many badly?

I'd go further back and ask why we can no longer afford such things.

But foreign aid has benefits, what is the financial cost of losing those benefits? Why can't we simply print a bit more cash? Why not increase taxes? How much money are we currently losing due to the travesty that is brexit?

Cuts to welfare budgets exist not because they're actually needed but because it suits the right wing middle class "anti-scroungers" manifesto.
A pound paid into welfare budgets rattles around the local economy whereas £500bn in new money disappears without a trace.

This problem pervades the whole economy. How much does not fixing roads cost? How much does handing control of chunks of the NHS out to private contractors cost? What is the real cost of homelessness? Foodbanks?

A couple of friends of mine work for the land registry. They do overtime every weekend at an enormous cost.
Why? Because when the government decided to sell the LR they 'slimmed' it down (at no small cost) to make it attractive to potential buyers. But then the sale never happened and the LR no longer has enough staff so they pay overtime and hire contractors (often the folk who they made redundant).

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Re: Is Trump Mad?

Postby 661-Pete » 22 Feb 2018, 1:16pm

Time for an update: can anyone come up with a stronger word than 'lunacy' or 'imbecility' to account for the T's latest Great Idea?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43149694 - and many other sources.
So he wants to turn every classroom into a replica of the OK Corral?
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Re: Is Trump Mad?

Postby Bonefishblues » 22 Feb 2018, 1:22pm

I thought it was even more telling that he has so little emotional intelligence that he had to have a written 5-point plan to deal with a situation which required simple common humanity and decency.

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Re: Is Trump Mad?

Postby kwackers » 22 Feb 2018, 1:35pm

I'm pretty sure you can't compel a teacher to have a gun and I'm also pretty sure any sensible teacher won't have one.
Teachers as a rule tend to fairly liberal; I wonder how many are NRA members?

So I like the idea of encouraging more guns to control the guns already there.

Think about it; NRA members carry guns. They hear shots and then in true superhero fashion spring into action, guns blazing at anyone else carrying a gun.
End result: No more NRA members.

America and gun control is a great example of confirmation bias in action. Every shooting just makes those with guns believe that more guns is the solution - because if they'd been there they'd have instantly taken out the gunman with the precision of a well oiled machine.
(I'm assuming here that gunmen look different to civilians with guns - perhaps they could wear a hi-vis vest with 'gunman' writ across it.)

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Re: Is Trump Mad?

Postby Ben@Forest » 22 Feb 2018, 1:53pm

kwackers wrote:America and gun control is a great example of confirmation bias in action. Every shooting just makes those with guns believe that more guns is the solution - because if they'd been there they'd have instantly taken out the gunman with the precision of a well oiled machine.
(I'm assuming here that gunmen look different to civilians with guns - perhaps they could wear a hi-vis vest with 'gunman' writ across it.)


Apparently at the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords (and about 20 other people, some of whom died) in 2011 two people entirely unconnected with the perpetrator drew legitimately held small arms and assuming the other was connected with the incident nearly took each other out. Says a lot for the idea of having a lot of armed civilians 'doing their bit'.

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Re: Is Trump Mad?

Postby mercalia » 22 Feb 2018, 2:24pm

so his reaction to the latest school massacre is to arm teachers. I magine in order to get your PGCE or equivalent you would need to have gun training then :roll: Arm teachers then the studants will come packing then every studant would need to go thru a x ray machine at the school entrance, what a world the USA is becoming? far from the lofty ideals of the founding fathers?

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Re: Is Trump Mad?

Postby kwackers » 22 Feb 2018, 2:37pm

Ben@Forest wrote:Apparently at the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords (and about 20 other people, some of whom died) in 2011 two people entirely unconnected with the perpetrator drew legitimately held small arms and assuming the other was connected with the incident nearly took each other out. Says a lot for the idea of having a lot of armed civilians 'doing their bit'.

And he'd have to explain how a gunman at a military base (Fort Hood) managed to kill 13 and injure more than 30 others.
If highly trained, well armed soldiers can't cut it how are a handful of teachers going to manage?

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Re: Is Trump Mad?

Postby Cyril Haearn » 22 Feb 2018, 2:50pm

Bonefishblues wrote:I thought it was even more telling that he has so little emotional intelligence that he had to have a written 5-point plan to deal with a situation which required simple common humanity and decency.

Has he been watching too many westerns? I was just wondering about creating a new poll: who is the greatest American (living or dead)?
Don't worry, I dismissed the idea quickly :D
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Re: Is Trump Mad?

Postby Cyril Haearn » 22 Feb 2018, 2:51pm

661-Pete wrote:Time for an update: can anyone come up with a stronger word than 'lunacy' or 'imbecility' to account for the T's latest Great Idea?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43149694 - and many other sources.
So he wants to turn every classroom into a replica of the OK Corral?

I voted "don't know", may I change my vote now?
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Re: Is Trump Mad?

Postby reohn2 » 22 Feb 2018, 2:53pm

Ben@Forest wrote:Apparently at the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords (and about 20 other people, some of whom died) in 2011 two people entirely unconnected with the perpetrator drew legitimately held small arms and assuming the other was connected with the incident nearly took each other out. Says a lot for the idea of having a lot of armed civilians 'doing their bit'.

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Re: Is Trump Mad?

Postby Cyril Haearn » 22 Feb 2018, 3:05pm

One could hardly make it up
Armed police have lots of training, they are psychologically checked at intervals (many applicants are rejected as unsuitable), the lucky ones never have to use their guns
Were I an armed teacher I would be terrified of killing the wrong person and being charged with murder

... what is the punishment for that?

We know plenty about the US but I have never been there so I don't KNOW much maybe Vorpal will be along soon to tell us The Truth :?
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