mercalia wrote: we and the americans saved their butts a few years ago ( twice ), before that, their butts from Napoleon.
Only if your grasp of history comes from Hollywood, which is probably less accurate than the tapestry.
mercalia wrote: we and the americans saved their butts a few years ago ( twice ), before that, their butts from Napoleon.
Si wrote:I think we should keep it. Afterall it has more to do with our history than france's, plus it was created in this country by people who were, in part, our ancestors. Maybe we could give the french them manky elgin marbles and let them sort it out with the greeks.
Anyway, in case no one has said it yet, and to maintain the forum's reputation for quality pedantry, can i just point out, it's not a flipping tapestry it's an embroidery.
francovendee wrote:Si wrote:I think we should keep it. Afterall it has more to do with our history than france's, plus it was created in this country by people who were, in part, our ancestors. Maybe we could give the french them manky elgin marbles and let them sort it out with the greeks.
Anyway, in case no one has said it yet, and to maintain the forum's reputation for quality pedantry, can i just point out, it's not a flipping tapestry it's an embroidery.
Yes my wife pointed out that it was embroidery when we saw it in Bayeux. Good idea about the Elgin marbles but better to just give them back to the owners rather than the French. Don't know where to stop on 'returning' things to the 'rightful owner's. Gibraltar, the Falklands ,
pwa wrote:francovendee wrote:Si wrote:I think we should keep it. Afterall it has more to do with our history than france's, plus it was created in this country by people who were, in part, our ancestors. Maybe we could give the french them manky elgin marbles and let them sort it out with the greeks.
Anyway, in case no one has said it yet, and to maintain the forum's reputation for quality pedantry, can i just point out, it's not a flipping tapestry it's an embroidery.
Yes my wife pointed out that it was embroidery when we saw it in Bayeux. Good idea about the Elgin marbles but better to just give them back to the owners rather than the French. Don't know where to stop on 'returning' things to the 'rightful owner's. Gibraltar, the Falklands ,
Simpler to hang on to things. If we gave Gib to Spain, Spain might have to give back the bits of North Africa it hangs on to. Argentina might have to hand back their country to native people, the USA ditto.
Tangled Metal wrote:pwa wrote:francovendee wrote:Yes my wife pointed out that it was embroidery when we saw it in Bayeux. Good idea about the Elgin marbles but better to just give them back to the owners rather than the French. Don't know where to stop on 'returning' things to the 'rightful owner's. Gibraltar, the Falklands ,
Simpler to hang on to things. If we gave Gib to Spain, Spain might have to give back the bits of North Africa it hangs on to. Argentina might have to hand back their country to native people, the USA ditto.
What about UK? Go back far enough you'll see the natives your incomer ancestors took land from too. Who's really native anyway? Anything you give back is based on a subjective date for deciding who the natives are.
Anyone believes the Elgin marbles would have survived to now without being "stolen" with the permission of the occupying rulers at the time? If conflicts in Athens didn't degrade them then pollution would judging by the efforts the Greek authorities had to go to in order to stabilise the sculptures left behind.
Of course I do think they should go back but in coming to my view it was a close run thing. The redeeming features of London's claim to keep it is the established location to display them safely and the idea that the British museum is actually one of a few museums where you can see the history of the whole world in one place through the artifacts collected from around the world.
Bonefishblues wrote:Serious Q. In the context of similar works of the time, isn't the BT a bit of a rubbish piece of work?
Audax67 wrote:Bonefishblues wrote:Serious Q. In the context of similar works of the time, isn't the BT a bit of a rubbish piece of work?
Can you point us at any such, of similar magnitude?