thirdcrank wrote:Re: Leicester. Why are their so many "Asians" there?
Maybe it's because Leicester City Council placed adverts in the Ugandan press asking them not to come and they wanted to see what they might be missing.
thirdcrank wrote:Re: Leicester. Why are their so many "Asians" there?
PH wrote: ... Maybe it's because Leicester City Council placed adverts in the Ugandan press asking them not to come and they wanted to see what they might be missing.
pwa wrote:If we could rewind and do it again, in a better way, it would have been easier if immigration of ethnically different groups had happened slower, so that the immigrants did not have large clusters of their own ethnic group to attach themselves to. Perhaps then they would have been more likely to live alongside the existing population and integration would have happened.
In my village there are people from a wide range of income groups. But I can't think of one none-white face. I am sure we would welcome anyone from any ethnic origin, but none have come yet.
PH wrote:thirdcrank wrote:Re: Leicester. Why are their so many "Asians" there?
Maybe it's because Leicester City Council placed adverts in the Ugandan press asking them not to come and they wanted to see what they might be missing.
thirdcrank wrote:PH wrote: ... Maybe it's because Leicester City Council placed adverts in the Ugandan press asking them not to come and they wanted to see what they might be missing.
That went straight over my head.
bovlomov wrote:thirdcrank wrote: it's suggested there that he had an ambition to become Viceroy of India.
Isn't that the ambition of every small boy? I know it was mine, and the thought of it so consumed me that I forgot to go to university or take any of the steps required to attain such a post. What was his excuse?
Cyril Haearn wrote:bovlomov wrote:thirdcrank wrote: it's suggested there that he had an ambition to become Viceroy of India.
Isn't that the ambition of every small boy? I know it was mine, and the thought of it so consumed me that I forgot to go to university or take any of the steps required to attain such a post. What was his excuse?
Little girls in Wales wanted to rule in the colonies too, Julia Gillard lived her dream and became PM of Australia
I wanted to climb Chomolungma or win Milan-San Remo
bovlomov wrote:Cyril Haearn wrote:bovlomov wrote:Isn't that the ambition of every small boy? I know it was mine, and the thought of it so consumed me that I forgot to go to university or take any of the steps required to attain such a post. What was his excuse?
Little girls in Wales wanted to rule in the colonies too, Julia Gillard lived her dream and became PM of Australia
I wanted to climb Chomolungma or win Milan-San Remo
Which one of those did you succeed with?
Thornyone wrote:pwa wrote:If we could rewind and do it again, in a better way, it would have been easier if immigration of ethnically different groups had happened slower, so that the immigrants did not have large clusters of their own ethnic group to attach themselves to. Perhaps then they would have been more likely to live alongside the existing population and integration would have happened.
In my village there are people from a wide range of income groups. But I can't think of one none-white face. I am sure we would welcome anyone from any ethnic origin, but none have come yet.
I think that you have hit the nail on the head here. In fact if I cycle more than about five miles beyond the Leicester urban area I will frequently see no non-white people except maybe a local village store owner. Re integration, true integration in the long run probably implies intermarriage, which IME is pretty uncommon, and resistance to that is certainly not to be laid excusively or probably even primarily at the door of the “White Briton”. Just think arranged marriages.
Thornyone wrote:I think that you make a lot of points here which are valid up to a point but a lot of them also approach the subject, effectively, as if racism is a one-sided issue, essentially perpetrated by the native white population. There clearly was a good deal of unpleasant, overt racism encountered by Carribean immigrants, as indeed there was “white on white” racism experienced by the Irish. But racism also can and does exist amongst “people of colour”.
I think that one of the biggest bars to integration is not colour or race as such, but religious and cultural traditions. (It is largely due to the fact that the UK is not a “religious country” in the way that so many of those countries from which non-European immigrants come are, that they are safe to settle here without interference).
Whilst I can see that a small immigrant population might feel vulnerable, I think that ceases to explain lack of integration once numbers in a city pass a certain point. The fact is that in a city like Leicester the majority of the non-“White British” were born here. In my own road about 50% of households are now “Asian”, a mix of Sikhs and Muslims. There appear to be no mixed marriages, but clearly no-one feels threatened.
You may recall the awful explosion here when a shop and flat were destroyed recently. Two “Asian” youths and their mother were killed, along with the “white British” girlfriend of one of the youths. It is probably not insignificant that the “Asians” were Indian heritage Christians. Also killed was a Lithuanian woman, the Muslim convert wife of one of the three Iraqui Kurd men now facing prosecution in connection with the explosion. (Note that the Muslim man had not converted to the woman’s faith, assuming she was religious).
I think that it is simplistic to explain lack of integration nowadays simply in terms of indigenous on immigrant racism.
Vorpal wrote:As for explaining where people live, well, it has as much to do with the affordability of housing than it does who lives where. If you cannot afford to live in a nice suburban neighborhood, but you can afford to rent an apartment in a neighborhood where you friends and family live, or in a rural village, where you don't know anyone, which will you pick?
bovlomov wrote:Some self-identified 'native' British people have a fear that their culture is being diluted,