Should Enoch Powell get a blue plaque ( in Wolverhamton)?

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Should Enoch Powell get a blue plaque ( in Wolverhamton)?

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Re: Should Enoch Powell get a blue plaque ( in Wolverhamton)?

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Cyril Haearn wrote:
Mick F wrote:Why not have a Blue Plaque?
He was famous, and famous people get Blue Plaques.

Is he still famous?


He is in Wolverhampton where he was my MP and an excellent one at that. I would also like to add for our oppose everything that isn't socialist posters: When it was muted that the new community centre at Wednesfield should be named after Jenny Lee, Enoch although no longer an MP for the area gave the proposal his personal support.
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bikepacker wrote:
Cyril Haearn wrote:
Mick F wrote:Why not have a Blue Plaque?
He was famous, and famous people get Blue Plaques.

Is he still famous?


He is in Wolverhampton where he was my MP and an excellent one at that. I would also like to add for our oppose everything that isn't socialist posters: When it was muted that the new community centre at Wednesfield should be named after Jenny Lee, Enoch although no longer an MP for the area gave the proposal his personal support.

Good for old Enoch,and three cheers,hip,hip,hurrah! :wink:
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Re: Should Enoch Powell get a blue plaque ( in Wolverhamton)?

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PH wrote:
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PH wrote:Yes I can answer that even without Googling.
Anyone not heard of Cromwell?
Churchill, Wilson, Macmillan, Home, Major, Blair, Pitt, Gladstone, Heath, Wellington, McDonald ...............

But what about Powell, Castle, Sharples, Hailsham, Belisha?

Your question was "Are any" and the answer is yes. If your question was "Are all" then the answer is no (Though we have Google to help)
Out of your list of five I know something about four of them (I could Google the other one)


I was answering this.

Cyril Haearn wrote:
Mick F wrote:Why not have a Blue Plaque?
He was famous, and famous people get Blue Plaques.

Is he still famous?
The answer is YES, and so were all the other ones I randomly listed.
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Anyone remember Airey Neave?
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How about a plaque commemorating the Race Relations Act, instead?
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Vorpal wrote:How about a plaque commemorating the Race Relations Act, instead?

Sounds good to me,and we we could also have one for the equal pay act too :D
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I seem to remember a statue of Thatcher was suggested then decided against due to the possibility of it being defaced - shame I would like to have thrown some eggs at it :D
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The right on brigade love too tell their tales if how they hated Thatcher ... Are they anti -democratic ? After all she was elected by the people ... More than once ... Hate Thatcher, hate democracy ..?
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landsurfer wrote:The right on brigade love too tell their tales if how they hated Thatcher ... Are they anti -democratic ? After all she was elected by the people ... More than once ... Hate Thatcher, hate democracy ..?

In that case the same could be said for any PM I suppose.
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reohn2 wrote:
landsurfer wrote:The right on brigade love too tell their tales if how they hated Thatcher ... Are they anti -democratic ? After all she was elected by the people ... More than once ... Hate Thatcher, hate democracy ..?

In that case the same could be said for any PM I suppose.


Or the same could be said for those who voted for Hitler!

But fortunately in our UK democracy there is no enforcement applied to the people to show love and appreciation for an election winner [or dictator] that one didn't vote for or want to win :lol:
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PH wrote:
NUKe wrote:
PH wrote:I hadn't come across Quora before, so I Googled it (Other search engines are available) It doesn't seem a reliable source of information, a peer to peer network that acts like a forum with even less safeguards than Wikki. If you have a dislike of false histories, it's probably not the best place to look for something more factual.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/ ... id-mandela

That is a more reliable source, but it doesn't agree with the earlier one
A close aide once told me that she opposed apartheid more on the grounds that it was a sin against economic liberalism rather than a crime against humanity.

The facts are well documented, she opposed sanctions when most other Western countries were calling for them and she considered the ANC to be terrorists at the time when many other countries were treating them as a legitimate political organisation.


I never thought I would see the day,I was arguing for Thatcher and thankfully this is one of them. I am not saying she had the right policies, but to suggest she was a supporter of apartheid is just wrong.She believed sanctions would not work, which is not the same as supporting apartheid. So prove that she did actively support apartheid.

The ANC were terrorists by definition, but one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter , This was why when Mandella came to power he held truth and reconciliation councils, one of his best moves And why he will always be seen as a great leader, If he had not then you only have to look at South Africa's neighbour Zimbabwe to see what might have happened.

I am not suggesting Thatcher was right in her policies ,but to say she supported apartheid is wrong too. I like many of my contemporaries went on Marches against Apartied, we all wanted revolution, but now I just want history told warts and all.

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With regard to Apartheid South Africa and the then dictatorship of Chile, Thatcher lacked a moral compass. It was not her soft words that brought those abhorrent regimes to an end; it was popular resistance, years of protests and, in the case of South Africa, the withdrawal of the support of big businesses like Barclays and BMW because of the embarrassment and economic harm their involvement with the Apartheid regime was causing them. The anti-Apartheid campaign worked. Thatcher's softly softly approach did nothing. She labelled Mandela a terrorist. History has made him as close to a hero as a human can be.

Thatcher did one very important thing for Wales. She convinced people that some degree of separation from Westminster was a good idea. She provided a push for devolution.
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PH wrote:
Mick F wrote:Is any politician "still famous" after they've died?

Yes I can answer that even without Googling.
Anyone not heard of Cromwell?



Classic example

I lived near Huntingdon and there are so many reminders of this individual and his family

However should we be giving such recognition to a Regicide, religious bigot, mass murderer and genocidal war criminal?


Enoch Powell and others will get recognition depending on which section of the community shouts loudest...... and who is writing that history
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Another question


Given all the other issues should Liverpool be spending half a million ponds on a Nelson Mandela memorial

Powell probably spent more time and did more for the people of Wolverhampton than Mandela did for Liverpool

But one is politically in favour, one is not
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Cyril Haearn wrote:Anyone remember Airey Neave?
Not personally, no.
He was a fine politician - even though he was a Tory - and a prisoner of war who escaped from Colditz.

Murdered by the IRA.
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