Pay to pee?

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Re: Pay to pee?

Postby Mike Sales » 16 Sep 2019, 9:06pm

Mick F wrote:That is a long and involved subject!

I'll try and be short.

In the old days, ships had more sailors per ship than they have nowadays. Even in my time, we reduced the manning levels, and by the time I was serving in my last ships, the reduced manning was down to a level where the cleaning and domestics was saved up until we came into port where contract cleaners would come on.

Since the demise of steam power and coal, we didn't need stokers and engine room staff 24/7. This, as well as automated machinery, meant that you didn't need engineers below working the propulsion system.

The weapon systems require few operators. Gun crews aren't needed as everything is automated. Computers control the early warning equipment and we don't need lookouts and upperdeck crews with binoculars 24/7.

All this, means far fewer than half the crew for a given size of ship. This means there is more space for accommodation and hence they can have cabins and bunks and a central galley and dining halls and recreation rooms.

Hammocks used to be slung in the messdecks. When the hammocks were stowed, the tables were laid for the meals. Same space, same room. No other place as there was no space.


I can quite see that one advantage of hammocks as sleeping accommodation is compactness and another stowability, neither of which is needed nowadays, but you were pointing out that they can be more comfortable in some circumstances.
I was watching Hornblower and I suppose you might have regretted the end of the rum ration, but not of flogging!

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Re: Pay to pee?

Postby Mick F » 17 Sep 2019, 7:32am

brynpoeth wrote:Trying to get back on topic
What does the Grey Funnel Line do with human waste? Is it treated, or just pumped into the ocean?
Are modern ships more spacious and comfortable for inmates?
We used to just drain it into the sea. Also rubbish just chucked over the side - called "gash" in the RN.

Theses days, there are sewage treatment plants, and storage. Pumped ashore when in port.
Non-burnable rubbish is put into a compactor, and burnable is incinerated. Stuff is sorted as we do nowadays domestically.

Far more spacious. You can walk the length of the main passageways and never see anyone as the crew sizes have reduced. Definitely more comfortable.
Mike Sales wrote:I was watching Hornblower and I suppose you might have regretted the end of the rum ration, but not of flogging!

The daily rum ration ceased at the end of July 1970. You were classified G, T, or UA.
G = Grog
T = Tea total
UA = Under age ......... you had to be 20 years old.

I wasn't 20 until November 1972, so I never received it as a daily ration. We did have it issued for special royal occasions though - marriages etc.
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Re: Pay to pee?

Postby Audax67 » 17 Sep 2019, 5:05pm

The Inlaw Paw used to have stories about sippers and gulpers, and how the supervising officer would find something fascinating near the masthead to look at while the rum left over once the ration had been dispensed was supposedly dumped over the side. If you asked what it was like he would always say "terrible stuff - never drank it". As a medical CPO he could probably get better, though.
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Re: Pay to pee?

Postby merseymouth » 17 Sep 2019, 5:51pm

Hi there, With regards to the Rum Ration I find it odd that it was always called "Nelson's Blood" yet his body was preserved in Brandy to repatriate it?
My father was on a Carrier off Iceland during WW2 when the got caught in very rough weather. It was so bad that all of the goods in the spirit store fell & shattered! The fumes where very intoxicating, many of the crew offered to go and clear it up :wink: , but as it was dissolving both the paint & the red lead primer it was considered a health hazard :shock: . Seal for the rest of the convoy, no Rum Ration for anyone for the duration :( . MM

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Re: Pay to pee?

Postby Mick F » 18 Sep 2019, 8:00am

merseymouth wrote:Hi there, With regards to the Rum Ration I find it odd that it was always called "Nelson's Blood"
Always????

I've never heard that saying. Maybe it's a civvy expression.
What was it called before Trafalgar?
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