Hither Green 'burglar' stabbing: Man, 78, arrested

[mercalia]

about time for the council or police to step in and find a law to put a stop to it?

[Cyril Haearn]

I pass a roadside cross on the way home from work, the name of someone who died in a 'rta' is legible on it
There should be many more of these to scare motons into slowing down and obeying the law

[Cyril Haearn]

Just like a 'road accident'
One person dead, many people's lives ruined

How can burglaries and crimes of violence be reduced?

Much harder than enforcing traffic law?

[thirdcrank]

... the location of these tributes isn't where his body was found but the site of his crime which led to b his death. ...

FWIW, I understood that the deceased was found badly injured in the street outside the house where he was fatally injured.

One effect of all this is that any local residents who are witnesses may suddenly find that their memories of the events are not so clear as they thought.

I've been surprised that there's been little concern on here about the householder being arrested and detained.

Once upon a time, it used to be "We know who's guilty, but we can't prove it," the risk being that somebody might try. This seems to have been "We know he's not guilty, but we still have to prove it."

[Tangled Metal]

I read it was on a nearby street he was discovered. I took it as local but not outside the house or within sight of it.

So a rta gets a cross as a deterrent for motons. What about known accident blackspots? Put a cross there and you're possibly going to cause an accident by distraction. Come off it, you've looked at the memorial flowers as you drove past them. Lack of concentration is almost guaranteed.

[661-Pete]

In France there still a number of those black silhouettes erected by the roadside at the scene of a fatal accident:

but, it seems to me, fewer than there used to be. Is it possibly because French roads are getting safer (I doubt it)? Perhaps because people aren't motivated so much, to set up these symbols. Anyway, they're maybe more effective than floral tributes: at least they are highly visible and serve as a direct warning to passing motorists. And less distracting than bunches of flowers.

In France people also leave flowers by the roadside - but these are more often in potted-plant form, more likely to endure.

[thirdcrank]

A memorial to somebody who died in contentious circumstances is always likely to revive the controversy.

Michael Winner of "It's only a commercial, dear" fame, formed the Police Memorial Trust to commemorate police officers killed on duty. These are normally inscribed "Here fell ...."

The memorial to PC Keith Blakelock, who died at Broadwater Farm is inscribed "Here served PC KEITH BLAKELOCK" and it was erected on his usual beat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_ ... 2011_riots

[pete75]

Once upon a time, it used to be "We know who's guilty, but we can't prove it," the risk being that somebody might try. This seems to have been "We know he's not guilty, but we still have to prove it."

Or in West Yorkshire we know who's not guilty but we'll suppress the evidence that proves it. Stefan Kiszko for example.

[mercalia]

Once upon a time, it used to be "We know who's guilty, but we can't prove it," the risk being that somebody might try. This seems to have been "We know he's not guilty, but we still have to prove it."

Or in West Yorkshire we know who's not guilty but we'll suppress the evidence that proves it. Stefan Kiszko for example.

thats a shocking story

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7052109.stm

and the guilty cops walked free becuase they wouldnt get a fair trial

[thirdcrank]

Once upon a time, it used to be "We know who's guilty, but we can't prove it," the risk being that somebody might try. This seems to have been "We know he's not guilty, but we still have to prove it."

Or in West Yorkshire we know who's not guilty but we'll suppress the evidence that proves it. Stefan Kiszko for example.

I think that supports the broad point I was making.

I've referred the terrible miscarriage of justice in Stefan Kiszko's case a couple of times before on the forum.

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[pete75]

thats a shocking story

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7052109.stm

and the guilty cops walked free becuase they wouldnt get a fair trial

You couldn't make it up could you?

The same police force, of course, couldn't catch the Yorkshire Ripper - he was eventually arrested by the much maligned South Yorkshire Police. That enquiry was led by an officer of similar ilk to those in the Stefan Kiszko case. He secured the conviction of the innocent Judith Ward for the M62 bus bombing. Amongst the techniques he used were unreliable forensic tests, deliberate manipulation of interviews,disregarding her mental illness and failing to release evidence and details of interviews to the defence. She served 18 years before being released. Appeal court judges described the case as a grave miscarriage of justice.

[Cunobelin]

Mr Kiszko, who had never been in trouble with the law, also had an unusual hobby of writing down registration numbers of cars that annoyed him.

I can think if more than a few YouTube users that would fit that bill

[Cyril Haearn]

The deceased has left people bereaved who are entitled to express their feelings about their loss.

Unfortunately, the fact of the householder being arrested on suspicion of murder and detained for so long can only increase their feeling that the deceased was the victim of crime, while leaving members of the public of the "no smoke without fire" school of thought to assume that there's more to this than is being published. One effect of the householder being arrested on suspicion of murder has inevitably been to increase the media interest and other publicity, both because murder is, in itself, a serious matter and because the police action seems so inappropriate.

The fact of the householder being on social media with a pint of stout in each hand and on another with a shotgun hasn't helped him to avoid publicity.

I fear his happiness in old age has been taken away: awoken by intruders in his own house during the night; involved in a struggle which not of his choice; arrested on suspicion of the most serious offence in our law; and now forced to hide for his own safety.

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He was not found innocent by a court, he was not even charged
Why can't the cops keep quiet until they have something to report?
Move along, nothing to see here!

[Tangled Metal]

Wasn't the lead copper in that Kiszko case also one who worked on the ripper case? I'm sure I read it in the link.

[thirdcrank]

This from wiki is the briefest of summaries of the eventual arrest of Peter Sutcliffe in Sheffield:-

On 2 January 1981, Sutcliffe was stopped by the police with 24-year-old <i>[derogatory word removed]</i> Olivia Reivers in the driveway of Light Trades House in Melbourne Avenue, Broomhill, Sheffield. A police check by probationary constable Robert Hydes revealed his car had false number plates and Sutcliffe was arrested and transferred to Dewsbury Police Station. At Dewsbury he was questioned in relation to the Yorkshire Ripper case as he matched many of the known physical characteristics. The next day police returned to the scene of the arrest and discovered a knife, hammer and rope he had discarded when he briefly slipped away from the police after telling them he was "bursting for a pee". Sutcliffe hid a second knife in the toilet cistern at the police station when he was permitted to use the toilet.

(I note that the bowdlerisation machine has removed wiki's description of the woman in Sutcliffe's car who must surely have come close to being another victim. A modern synonym is sex worker.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Sutcliffe

So, if anybody wonders why he was dealt with at Dewsbury Police Station - the location of the late Ronald Gregory's notorious press conference - it was because the car he was in had reg plates stolen from a scrapyard at Cooper Bridge, Mirfield. AFAIK, one of the officers escorting him from Sheffield to Dewsbury (somebody I knew personally BTW) twigged that Sutcliffe was unusually agitated and reported his suspicions to the detective inspector (who by coincidence was on the same intial training course as me at Pannal Ash in 1967.) By that time, Peter Sutcliffe had been of interest to the incident room several times and wrongly eliminated, not least because he did not have a Geordie accent. I don't think it's any secret to mention that one of the DI's hardest jobs was convincing the incident room staff that Peter Sutcliffe was the multiple killer, bearing in mind that he had already been eliminated from the inquiry.

On a more general note, the mistakes made during this investigation resulted in senior investigating officers always mentioning that they were "keeping an open mind."
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TM The late Dick Holland was one of the officers in the Stefan Kiszko case and was also associated - as a subordinate - with George Oldfield, the original senior investigating officer in the "Yorkshire Ripper" inquiry.