No meat; no dairy; no....?

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IME, and we have only been on 3, Antartica, Asia and Alaska, a cruise is the only way some limited mobility old folk and disabled people can enjoy a holiday. There are undoubtably some people who go who are Gannets but that applies too any buffet type restaurant anywhere not only those on cruise ships.
Rather than attempting to convert folk to trendy unnatural eating habits if you are concerned about your contribution to climate change far better to examine your own lifestyle and curb your own excesses.

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Holidays are always a touchy subject - I wouldn't want to be the one asking people to forego what may be the one pleasure in their lives. And that includes cruises and long-haul flights.

If we hadn't bought the French house - where we spend most of our holidays - we'd probably be holidaying elsewhere - and boarding flights or doing long-distance drives thereby. Just like most people do. You can't win!

We are still on schedule to do our South America eclipse-chasing tour next year. It's possible this may be our last-ever long-haul flight. That rather depends on developments in the USA and whether we go to visit my B-i-L again. Not in the current climate!

Avoiding meat in some parts of South America may be problematical. My niece - a vegetarian up till then - discovered this some years ago. We shall see...
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Goat or sheep cheese is somewhat more environmentally friendly than from cows.

Quite a few of the vegan 'yogurts' are nice. I also like some other vegan 'dairy' products. But things like lasagna and pizza just aren't the same without proper cheese.

I could potentially reduce my cheese eating to once every week or two, but I have to admit that I really like cheese.

When I am cooking for myself, I mostly have rice with vegetables &/or pulses.

I can only do that once or twice per week for my kids, though.
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661-Pete wrote:Holidays are always a touchy subject - I wouldn't want to be the one asking people to forego what may be the one pleasure in their lives. And that includes cruises and long-haul flights.

If we hadn't bought the French house - where we spend most of our holidays - we'd probably be holidaying elsewhere - and boarding flights or doing long-distance drives thereby. Just like most people do. You can't win!

We are still on schedule to do our South America eclipse-chasing tour next year. It's possible this may be our last-ever long-haul flight. That rather depends on developments in the USA and whether we go to visit my B-i-L again. Not in the current climate!

Avoiding meat in some parts of South America may be problematical. My niece - a vegetarian up till then - discovered this some years ago. We shall see...

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Vorpal wrote:Goat or sheep cheese is somewhat more environmentally friendly than from cows.

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Why is that?
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Paulatic wrote:
Vorpal wrote:Goat or sheep cheese is somewhat more environmentally friendly than from cows.

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Why is that?

I was all set to explain it, only to find out that I was wrong :oops: :oops:

I assumed that it was the same as for meat production, but it's actually the other way around.

The carbon footprint for milk from small ruminants is more than double that of milk from dairy cattle and buffalo: 6.5 kg CO2-eq/kg FPCM vs. 2.8 and 3.4 kg CO2-eq/kg FPCM, respectively. With regard to meat from ruminants, small ruminant meat has a smaller carbon footprint compared with that of beef; 23.8 kg CO2-eq/kg CW vs. 46.2 and 53.4 kg CO2-eq/kg CW for beef and buffalo meat, respectively....
The difference in emission intensity among ruminant species can be attributed to
a number of factors such as:
• Higher milk yields from dairy cattle and buffalo as opposed to small ruminants;
• Greater fecundity, and faster reproductive cycles and growth rates in small
ruminants;
• Larger supporting breeding herds are required to sustain the production of
beef; non-productive animals produce CH4 and urinary-N without contributing
to milk and meat production


http://www.fao.org/docrep/018/i3461e/i3461e.pdf
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Vorpal wrote:
Paulatic wrote:
Vorpal wrote:Goat or sheep cheese is somewhat more environmentally friendly than from cows.

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Why is that?

I was all set to explain it, only to find out that I was wrong :oops: :oops:

I assumed that it was the same as for meat production, but it's actually the other way around.

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Thanks :D that confirms what I thought might be the case.
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The answer to the reluctant vegans dilemma…

Slaughter-free meat? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45865403

What about Turkey twizlers too?

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al_yrpal wrote:The answer to the reluctant vegans dilemma…

Slaughter-free meat? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45865403
Nice try. :lol:

Can't speak for true vegans of course, but speaking for myself, not interested. It's the taste and texture of many forms of meat, that I've "turned-off" from, as much as knowing where it comes from.

But we do use Quorn in some meals, so I'm a bit inconsistent there.

What about Turkey twizlers too?
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