It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

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What happens next

Poll ended at 29 Mar 2019, 7:42pm

1. Glittering new world future for the UK
6
13%
2. The world welcomes trade with UK with open arms
7
16%
3. Slow, withering break up of the United Kingdom
15
33%
4. Rapid descent into unspeakable chaos
8
18%
5. Civil unrest resulting in martial law
1
2%
6. People's revolution on the streets, whole thing turned over
0
No votes
7. Don't know, no ideas.
8
18%
 
Total votes: 45

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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby mr bajokoses » 8 Jan 2019, 9:42am

661-Pete wrote:
mr bajokoses wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:Bottom line: Brexit and no dividing border in Ireland are mutually exclusive. You can't be both in and out simultaneously, unless Ireland is United.


+1

Everything that has happened since the referendum has been an attempt to avoid this hardest of questions.

It seems to be getting more and more "Schrödinger" at every turn. You know - we are simultaneously both "in" and "out" of the EU, there is simultaneously both a "hard" and a "soft" Irish border ... and it can't be resolved until we open the box....

...and I give you one guess who's playing the role of the poor old moggie, in all this!


Who wants to look in the box?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/08/pressure-grows-on-police-to-act-over-nazi-slurs-against-anna-soubry

Will 17 million people align themselves with this sorry lot and protest on the streets if Brexit is cancelled?

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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby Canuk » 8 Jan 2019, 9:48am

It should be stated that I have absolutely no dog in this race. We've been in France nigh on three years now, another two and we could, if we wanted apply for citizenship and become full EU citizens (my partner anyway, I have right to stay indefinitely).

I guess in France and Germany there are too many home grown frictions and constitutional issues for the people of those countries to give too much of a hoot about Britain and what happens after the 29th. It would be fair to say I don't know a single French person who rarely gives it a second thought.

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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby mercalia » 8 Jan 2019, 9:33pm

the Guardian summarises it's viewpoint

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/08/the-guardian-view-on-brexit-the-government-has-failed-its-time-to-go-back-to-the-people

" If Mrs May’s deal is rejected, as it should be, Britain should pause the article 50 process and put Brexit on hold. Parliament should explicitly reject no-deal. MPs should then open up the debate to the country: first, by establishing a citizens’ assembly to examine the options and issues that face the nation; and second, by giving parliament the right, if it so chooses, to put these alternatives in a referendum this year or next. Such a vote should not be a repeat of 2016, but a choice between new options for Britain’s future relationship with Europe which are spelled out and which parliament can implement."

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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby pete75 » 10 Jan 2019, 1:26pm

Anybody started stocking up in view of predicted shortages after the 29th? My wife has bought six cases of Veuve Clicquot just in case.

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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby Audax67 » 10 Jan 2019, 1:57pm

Last time we ordered Marmite it didn't arrive. We don't miss it.
Have we got time for another cuppa?

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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby mjr » 10 Jan 2019, 2:42pm

pete75 wrote:Anybody started stocking up in view of predicted shortages after the 29th? My wife has bought six cases of Veuve Clicquot just in case.

I'm building a slight stockpile of the more difficult to obtain of my medications :-(
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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby Mick F » 10 Jan 2019, 2:55pm

I'm stocking up with Old Speckled Hen and Hobgoblin.
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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby mercalia » 10 Jan 2019, 3:35pm

I suppse Lidl will change agreat deal? all those EU items wont be here any more?

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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby mjr » 10 Jan 2019, 4:07pm

mercalia wrote:I suppse Lidl will change agreat deal? all those EU items wont be here any more?

They'll still be here, but especially if there's no deal, there may well be gaps in supply and the prices may go up.

It ain't just the foreign supermarkets that will have problems. Take another look at your weekly shop: plenty of things which you might think are from the UK are currently imported from the EU, such as beet caster sugar in Sainsburys (French) or lettuce in Waitrose (German). The UK imports 50% of its food - 30% from the EU and much of the remainder from countries relying on EU trade policies.
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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby Mick F » 10 Jan 2019, 4:24pm

Listening to Farming Today on R4 most mornings, the beet sugar issue was discussed. Some time back I think.
UK is self sufficient in beet. If Sainsbury's buys foreign beet, more fool them.
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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby Cours » 10 Jan 2019, 4:34pm

Mick F wrote:Listening to Farming Today on R4 most mornings, the beet sugar issue was discussed. Some time back I think.
UK is self sufficient in beet. If Sainsbury's buys foreign beet, more fool them.


I would think the reason they buy foreign beet is because its significanly cheaper than home grown. Same for peppers, garlic, brocolli, asparagus, ginger, avocados, courgette and tomatoes etc. All imported at vast cost savings = maximum profit for UK resellers. Expect this supply to dry up, maybe for months end and then when it is reestablished, you can guarantee the price will have risen dramatically.

Perishables will be the first things disappear off the shelves. Imagine xmas eve panic buying x1000.

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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby Tangled Metal » 10 Jan 2019, 4:37pm

Aldi seems to get stock from further afield. Israel and South America it's not all from the EU.

Guardian piece was interesting. What they basically propose is what the original referendum should have been like. The biggest political mistake of my lifetime was the way this referendum was set up.

There was no impartial evidence collected on what the outcomes might be. No independent assessment of the process nor the potential results. No options given nor discussed. There was no mandate for anything other than a slight majority for a very vague idea about leaving the EU. The potential versions of leave was ignored. Were the leave voters all for hard Brexit, Norway +++ or Canada or for a mythical elysium fields version of utopia with all our troubles disappeared?

I'm curious to know what would have the biggest vote out of remain, hard Brexit, Norway +++, Canada or May's settlement? Not possible now of course unless you get a second referendum.

BTW anyone else annoyed by the phrase "people's vote" for the second referendum idea. All national referenda are a vote by people, as are local and national elections. It's a nonsense name IMHO that I really wish would be forgotten.

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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby Tangled Metal » 10 Jan 2019, 4:40pm

I bet doom and gloom merchants will be pleased if their views are played out but I suspect the global supply chain is stronger than Brexit. Prices go up but supply at increased prices will happen. Demand stays so the b supply will too.

When oil prices zoomed up did petrol suddenly stop being supplied or did the price just go up and everyone moaned but still bought it?

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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby bigjim » 10 Jan 2019, 4:41pm

mjr wrote:
mercalia wrote:I suppse Lidl will change agreat deal? all those EU items wont be here any more?

They'll still be here, but especially if there's no deal, there may well be gaps in supply and the prices may go up.

It ain't just the foreign supermarkets that will have problems. Take another look at your weekly shop: plenty of things which you might think are from the UK are currently imported from the EU, such as beet caster sugar in Sainsburys (French) or lettuce in Waitrose (German). The UK imports 50% of its food - 30% from the EU and much of the remainder from countries relying on EU trade policies.

So what do you think will happen to all this food and medicine that we will be unable to obtain under a No Deal scenario? Wine lake? Butter mountain?
I think I am one of the absolute few on this forum who thinks that the world is not going to end in the event of a No Deal. I mean, we seemed to be capable of smoothly exporting and importing before we joined the EU for instance. I'm not that particularly bothered either way as I expect I'll be dead long before there are any great changes. whatever the outcome. I don't think there will be anyway. But I do find it a bit weird that members of this forum are so totally biased against the idea of us being outside the EU. Some quite derogatory comments against those that may have voted differently to most of the forum members. No balance here at all. Shame. :(
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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby roubaixtuesday » 10 Jan 2019, 4:42pm

It's a nonsense name IMHO that I really wish would be forgotten.


Yup. It's an attempt to avoid being accused of being a re-run, which is futile.

Still, it's by no means the worst recent slogan on Brexit

"Brexit means Brexit"
"Take back Control"
"Strong and Stable"
"let's spend it on the NHS instead"


"Tell them Again" is proposed for leave in the event of a 2nd ref.

Orwell would have a field day.