It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

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What happens next

Poll ended at 29 Mar 2019, 7:42pm

1. Glittering new world future for the UK
6
13%
2. The world welcomes trade with UK with open arms
7
16%
3. Slow, withering break up of the United Kingdom
15
33%
4. Rapid descent into unspeakable chaos
8
18%
5. Civil unrest resulting in martial law
1
2%
6. People's revolution on the streets, whole thing turned over
0
No votes
7. Don't know, no ideas.
8
18%
 
Total votes: 45

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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby roubaixtuesday » 11 Jan 2019, 10:52am

Mick F wrote:
mr bajokoses wrote:
Mick F wrote:Small point OT.

I don't think there are any climate change deniers.
The argument is WHY there's climate change, not that it doesn't exist.


Nigel Lawson, Charles Moore, Donald Trump...

http://www.lse.ac.uk/GranthamInstitute/news/another-humiliation-for-british-climate-change-deniers-and-their-promoters-in-the-media/
Nope.
They are deniers that it's mankind doing it.


Just for the record, here's John Redwood questioning the reality of climate change on his blog.

Any more on this, new thread?

I look out of my window to see my garden frozen solid, covered in frost and snow. It is April 7th, and I have just turned the heating up.
Will the government please give us some accurate figures of temperature trends over the last 100 years, given the disputes we read about over the very simple question “Has it been getting warmer or not?”

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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby PDQ Mobile » 11 Jan 2019, 11:05am

mr bajokoses wrote:
Mick F wrote:
Nope.
They are deniers that it's mankind doing it.


You stitched me up good and proper there Mick :lol:

Anyway it was a good opportunity to post a link to further discredit some of the 'expert deniers'.

Given the enormous output of CO2 from the burning of fossil fuel and the scientifically proven increase in it's percentage increase in the atmosphere. Then add in the demonstrated blanket/ greenhouse effect of such a gas, the idea that there could be no effect whatsoever seems beyond fanciful?

Given that fossil fuels are a finite resource, I always took the view that we should not be profligate with them but rather try to conserve some for another generation.
Given the science, and if I may say my personal observation, on a changing weather/climate, that would seem to be highly sensible.
A complete win/win situation.

I am not talking about going without, just not being profligate.
Not to acknowledge this possibility, a la Trump, Lawson and the rest, seems a dereliction of duty on their part to me.

Back to Brexit!

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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby mr bajokoses » 11 Jan 2019, 11:50am

PDQ Mobile wrote:Given the enormous output of CO2 from the burning of fossil fuel and the scientifically proven increase in it's percentage increase in the atmosphere. Then add in the demonstrated blanket/ greenhouse effect of such a gas, the idea that there could be no effect whatsoever seems beyond fanciful?

Given that fossil fuels are a finite resource, I always took the view that we should not be profligate with them but rather try to conserve some for another generation.
Given the science, and if I may say my personal observation, on a changing weather/climate, that would seem to be highly sensible.
A complete win/win situation.

I am not talking about going without, just not being profligate.
Not to acknowledge this possibility, a la Trump, Lawson and the rest, seems a dereliction of duty on their part to me.

Back to Brexit!


+1 to all that.

Remarkable correlation between high-profile climate-change deniers (the accepted meaning of which is about mankind's responsibility for it), and Brexit proponents. It's almost as if they know something the rest of the world doesn't.

Talking of the rest of the world:

Shinzō Abe says ‘the whole world’ wants the UK to secure an agreement

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/10/shinzo-abe-implores-britain-not-to-leave-eu-without-a-deal

Now 'the whole world' can be added to the list of Enemies Of The People™.
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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 11 Jan 2019, 11:51am

Hi,
We are still running at 31 % of dreamers and cuckoo land, that stat has stabilised.(1&7)
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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby Cours » 12 Jan 2019, 7:55am

So no chance of Mays deal getting through Tuesday. What next? The politico press are saying no confidence vote next weekend, followed either by a general election or a coalition of national unity tied to a second referendum.

There's even a strong possibility of no Brexit at all come the 29th. Either way Goldman Sachs are predicting a 10% increase the value of the pound by April.

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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby pete75 » 12 Jan 2019, 9:16am

roubaixtuesday wrote:
Mick F wrote:
Nope.
They are deniers that it's mankind doing it.


Just for the record, here's John Redwood questioning the reality of climate change on his blog.

Any more on this, new thread?

I look out of my window to see my garden frozen solid, covered in frost and snow. It is April 7th, and I have just turned the heating up.
Will the government please give us some accurate figures of temperature trends over the last 100 years, given the disputes we read about over the very simple question “Has it been getting warmer or not?”


The cretin doesn't know the difference between climate and weather nor does he seem able to use a simple search engine to find climate information.

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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby Cours » 13 Jan 2019, 12:40pm

So it looks like this glittering new world future is about to pop in under 48hrs time. I see in my crystal ball the initials GE. Amazing, from 'Brexit means Brexit'' to a 50/50 ball its even going happen at all. True what they say, a week is a very long time in politics. :lol:

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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby Mick F » 13 Jan 2019, 12:50pm

I may turn off the radio and turn off my computer for a few days and let the dust settle before putting my head out above the parapet. Probably not go down the pub either. Maybe hibernate until Friday. :D
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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby philvantwo » 13 Jan 2019, 8:11pm

March 29th is a Friday! Anyway I can't see Mick F turning off his laptop and radio, no 'You and Yours' or posting on here and as for not going down the pub..............they'll send a search party up to his chalet! :lol: :lol:
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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby Mick F » 14 Jan 2019, 5:44am

:lol: :lol:
Too, too true.
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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby Cours » 14 Jan 2019, 10:38am

General election by April?
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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby Canuk » 15 Jan 2019, 4:18pm

According to Alex Wickham there are now 'only' 113 Tory rebels who have said they will vote against May's Deal. With Labour, The SNP et al it looks like the Tories are on course to be defeated by the largest single majority vote in parliamentary history, since indeed the Parliament convened in 1802.

Someone's head has got to roll.

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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby Canuk » 15 Jan 2019, 4:31pm

I've just read that all 10 DUP MPs are also expected to vote against the deal. Surely A50 will have to be postponed now till after March 29th? If the government loses by 100-200+ seats then they have lost their mandate to govern IMO.

Here is the list in full of all 113 Tory rebels :

Boris Johnson

David Davis

Iain Duncan Smith

Owen Paterson

Priti Patel

John Whittingdale

Mark Francois

David Jones

Sir Desmond Swayne

Julian Lewis

Jacob Rees-Mogg

Steve Baker

Sir Bernard Jenkin

Sir Mike Penning

Sir David Amess

Sir Christopher Chope

Andrea Jenkyns

John Redwood

Ben Bradley

Marcus Fysh

Maria Caulfield

Simon Clarke

Ross Thomson

Henry Smith

Nadine Dorries

Chris Green

Andrew Bridgen

Bill Cash

Sheryll Murray

Andrew Rosindell

Lee Rowley

Peter Bone

Anne Main

Craig Mackinlay

Charlie Elphicke

Conor Burns

James Duddridge

Andrew Lewer

Nigel Mills

Martin Vickers

Richard Bacon

Philip Davies

Anne-Marie Morris

James Gray

Adam Holloway

Crispin Blunt

Richard Drax

Philip Hollobone

Laurence Robertson

Bill Wiggin

Pauline Latham

Nigel Evans

Scott Mann

Tim Loughton

Zac Goldsmith

Robert Courts

Michael Fabricant

Michael Tomlinson

Damian Collins

Jo Johnson

Phillip Lee

Heidi Allen

Justine Greening

Dominic Grieve

Dominic Raab

Esther McVey

Shailesh Vara

Rehman Chishti

Ranil Jayawardena

Suella Braverman

Anne-Marie Trevelyan

Hugo Swire

Steve Double

Theresa Villiers

Royston Smith

Mark Pritchard

Grant Shapps

Damien Moore

Daniel Kawczynski

Lucy Allan

David Evennett

Anna Soubry

Rob Halfon

Bob Stewart

Gordon Henderson

Stephen Metcalfe

John Baron

Julia Lopez

John Hayes

Sarah Wollaston

Guto Bebb

Tracey Crouch

Sir Michael Fallon

Douglas Ross

Derek Thomas

Sir Robert Syms

Matthew Offord

Sam Gyimah

Mark Harper

Giles Watling

Johnny Mercer

William Wragg

Mike Wood

Will Quince

Andrew Mitchell

Craig Tracey

Sir Greg Knight

Stephen McPartland

John Lamont

Fiona Bruce

Gareth Johnson

Greg Hands

Julian Sturdy

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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby thirdcrank » 15 Jan 2019, 4:58pm

Here is the list in full of all 113 Tory rebels :


We'll see the actual list after the division. In the meantime, how are the names in that list ordered? It's not alphabetical. :?

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Re: It's March 29th, 23h00: What happens next?

Postby bovlomov » 15 Jan 2019, 5:04pm

thirdcrank wrote:..how are the names in that list ordered? It's not alphabetical. :?

By IQ? (lowest first)

EDIT: That can't be right. Raab after Grieve?