Anna Soubry MP: What on earth is going on?

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Re: Anna Soubry MP: What on earth is going on?

Postby reohn2 » 8 Jan 2019, 7:02pm

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Re: Anna Soubry MP: What on earth is going on?

Postby brynpoeth » 8 Jan 2019, 7:16pm

JimL wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:Lets forget politics
Let forget Brexit
Lets forget that this person is an MP
Lets forgetful that she is female




Lets put in in perspective.

If the group approached a cyclist and harangued, bullied and intimidated them for that?


But she is not a cyclist ( and probably doesn't like cyclists ). She is a politician and she has shouted down people in the House of Commons in the past why shouldn't ordinary people express their views about her. She was carrying out political activities (the interview) ,she was at her place of work (Westminster ) . It was a peferctly reasonable expression of free speech and if the the video on the BBC website represents the worst of the behaviour it was nothing.

The house of commons is a special place where arguing is allowed, a sort of theatre
I find it very concerning that Diane Abbott is criticised so much (black, female)
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Re: Anna Soubry MP: What on earth is going on?

Postby roubaixtuesday » 8 Jan 2019, 7:18pm

JimL wrote:But she is not a cyclist ( and probably doesn't like cyclists ).


https://twitter.com/anna_soubry/status/ ... 8820711426

Your comments on the attempts to intimidate her are equally ill- informed.

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Re: Anna Soubry MP: What on earth is going on?

Postby JimL » 8 Jan 2019, 7:23pm

roubaixtuesday wrote:
JimL wrote:But she is not a cyclist ( and probably doesn't like cyclists ).


https://twitter.com/anna_soubry/status/ ... 8820711426

Your comments on the attempts to intimidate her are equally ill- informed.


So is she a cyclist and does she like cyclists?

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Re: Anna Soubry MP: What on earth is going on?

Postby NUKe » 8 Jan 2019, 7:27pm

No it wasn’t a perfectly acceptable example of free speech, she was been harassed and called a piece of s****, this was lead by one of the main Tommy Robinson supporters. It was the same group who harassed Owen Jones.

Free speech is about being able to state your views and I will always stand by the right to protest, but chasing someone down the street and shouting at them is harassment. The police were there but were next to useless.
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Re: Anna Soubry MP: What on earth is going on?

Postby JimL » 8 Jan 2019, 7:28pm

brynpoeth wrote:
JimL wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:Lets forget politics
Let forget Brexit
Lets forget that this person is an MP
Lets forgetful that she is female




Lets put in in perspective.

If the group approached a cyclist and harangued, bullied and intimidated them for that?


But she is not a cyclist ( and probably doesn't like cyclists ). She is a politician and she has shouted down people in the House of Commons in the past why shouldn't ordinary people express their views about her. She was carrying out political activities (the interview) ,she was at her place of work (Westminster ) . It was a peferctly reasonable expression of free speech and if the the video on the BBC website represents the worst of the behaviour it was nothing.

The house of commons is a special place where arguing is allowed, a sort of theatre
I find it very concerning that Diane Abbott is criticised so much (black, female)


Diane Abbot is criticised for her stupidy and hypocrisy .She is however a great fan of politics existing beyond Westminster but then again she may be a hypocrite

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Re: Anna Soubry MP: What on earth is going on?

Postby geocycle » 8 Jan 2019, 7:29pm

JimL wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:Lets forget politics
Let forget Brexit
Lets forget that this person is an MP
Lets forgetful that she is female




Lets put in in perspective.

If the group approached a cyclist and harangued, bullied and intimidated them for that?


But she is not a cyclist ( and probably doesn't like cyclists ). She is a politician and she has shouted down people in the House of Commons in the past why shouldn't ordinary people express their views about her. She was carrying out political activities (the interview) ,she was at her place of work (Westminster ) . It was a peferctly reasonable expression of free speech and if the the video on the BBC website represents the worst of the behaviour it was nothing.


No, a line was crossed and this is not acceptable behaviour.

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Re: Anna Soubry MP: What on earth is going on?

Postby JimL » 8 Jan 2019, 7:31pm

NUKe wrote:No it wasn’t a perfectly acceptable example of free speech, she was been harassed and called a piece of s****, this was lead by one of the main Tommy Robinson supporters. It was the same group who harassed Owen Jones.

Free speech is about being able to state your views and I will always stand by the right to protest, but chasing someone down the street and shouting at them is harassment. The police were there but were next to useless.


That will be because the police know the difference between free speech and harassment. If anybody thinks that was harassment they have lived a sheltered life or are a tadge dishonest

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Re: Anna Soubry MP: What on earth is going on?

Postby roubaixtuesday » 8 Jan 2019, 7:33pm

JimL wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:
JimL wrote:But she is not a cyclist ( and probably doesn't like cyclists ).


https://twitter.com/anna_soubry/status/ ... 8820711426

Your comments on the attempts to intimidate her are equally ill- informed.


So is she a cyclist and does she like cyclists?


Soubry, who told the inquiry she loved cycling as a child and that her husband bought her a mountain bike for Christmas, described herself as ‘wildly enthusiastic’ about cycling


https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/campa ... y-latest-0

Next time, do some basic research before surfacing your prejudices? Took me 30 seconds.

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Re: Anna Soubry MP: What on earth is going on?

Postby mr bajokoses » 8 Jan 2019, 7:34pm

JimL wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:
JimL wrote:But she is not a cyclist ( and probably doesn't like cyclists ).


https://twitter.com/anna_soubry/status/ ... 8820711426

Your comments on the attempts to intimidate her are equally ill- informed.


So is she a cyclist and does she like cyclists?


Whether she is a cyclist or not has no bearing whatsoever on whether she is entitled to be treated with courtesy and respect.

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Re: Anna Soubry MP: What on earth is going on?

Postby JimL » 8 Jan 2019, 7:42pm

mr bajokoses wrote:
JimL wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:
https://twitter.com/anna_soubry/status/ ... 8820711426

Your comments on the attempts to intimidate her are equally ill- informed.


So is she a cyclist and does she like cyclists?


Whether she is a cyclist or not has no bearing whatsoever on whether she is entitled to be treated with courtesy and respect.


I think you missed the point of the cycling reference , it was initailly made by another poster as an analogy that I disagreed with . She is a politician and has to take what she gives.

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Re: Anna Soubry MP: What on earth is going on?

Postby roubaixtuesday » 8 Jan 2019, 7:49pm

JimL wrote:
mr bajokoses wrote:
JimL wrote:
So is she a cyclist and does she like cyclists?


Whether she is a cyclist or not has no bearing whatsoever on whether she is entitled to be treated with courtesy and respect.


I think you missed the point of the cycling reference , it was initailly made by another poster as an analogy that I disagreed with . She is a politician and has to take what she gives.


Seems fair. Please post that video of her and a bunch of her friends screaming abuse in the face of a single pedestrian as she walks to work. Thanks.

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Re: Anna Soubry MP: What on earth is going on?

Postby mr bajokoses » 8 Jan 2019, 7:53pm

JimL wrote:
mr bajokoses wrote:
JimL wrote:
So is she a cyclist and does she like cyclists?


Whether she is a cyclist or not has no bearing whatsoever on whether she is entitled to be treated with courtesy and respect.


I think you missed the point of the cycling reference , it was initailly made by another poster as an analogy that I disagreed with . She is a politician and has to take what she gives.


What I read was an assumption that she wasn't a cyclist and probably didn't like cyclists, which was later shown to be incorrect. The context in which this assumption was made suggested that in some way Anna Soubry was 'asking for it'.

Maybe I misread your completely benign intentions.

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Re: Anna Soubry MP: What on earth is going on?

Postby JimL » 8 Jan 2019, 8:12pm

It is of course completely irrelevant but the post proving that she is a cyclist does nothing of the sort . Show me a health minister that isn't enthusiastic about other people cycling ? The strong implication is she doesn't cycle on the roads and she explicitly states her children are not allowed on the roads , far too dangerous. Whether she ever used the mountain bike we don't know and what child didn't go through a cycling phase but most don't class themselve as cyclists in adulthood.

I'll ignore your other comments
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Re: Anna Soubry MP: What on earth is going on?

Postby mjr » 8 Jan 2019, 8:14pm

JimL wrote:It is of course completely irrelevant but the post proving that she is a cyclist does nothing of the sort . Show me a health minister that isn't enthusiastic about other people cycling ? The strong implication is she doesn't cycle on the roads and she explicitly states her children are not allowed on the roads , far too dangerous. Whether she ever used the mountain bike we don't know and what child didn't go through a cycling phase but most don't class themselve as cyclists in adulthood.

Nice attempt but I see you moving those goalposts. The links were disproving the claim that she disliked cyclists...
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