Re: Anna Soubry MP: What on earth is going on?
Posted: 9 Jan 2019, 12:14pm
Or indeed a white Norwegian, in sad recent memory?
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Vorpal wrote:Bonefishblues wrote:Cunobelin wrote:Unfortunately many people with learning difficulties or mental health issues also have a need for a place in society, friends, and someone to support them
All too often this is abused by extremist groups who nurture them, suggest and reinforce their extremism and in doing so convince the vulnerable that this is the "right way", and it becomes attractive and compelling
Is there evidence of this?
Sort of.
https://ctc.usma.edu/is-there-a-nexus-b ... mic-state/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... h-problems
https://start.umd.edu/news/mental-illness-and-terrorism
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nikitamali ... d515226dc7
It is also possible that extremism causes mental health issues.
There is a culural difference in perception and media portrayal about mental health and vulnerability when the perpetrator of violence is a white British person rather than Muslim and/or an ethnic minority.
Cunobelin wrote:Vorpal wrote:Bonefishblues wrote:Is there evidence of this?
Sort of.
https://ctc.usma.edu/is-there-a-nexus-b ... mic-state/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... h-problems
https://start.umd.edu/news/mental-illness-and-terrorism
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nikitamali ... d515226dc7
It is also possible that extremism causes mental health issues.
There is a culural difference in perception and media portrayal about mental health and vulnerability when the perpetrator of violence is a white British person rather than Muslim and/or an ethnic minority.
Thank you
It is still little controversial as to how important this is, which is why I was careful to be generic. I have completed Prevent training, which is where as an HCP we are expected to be aware
Bonefishblues wrote:Or indeed a white Norwegian, in sad recent memory?
Vorpal wrote:Bonefishblues wrote:Or indeed a white Norwegian, in sad recent memory?
I don't think that many people have portrayed him as vulnerable or suffering form mental health issues, and I think that the authorities in Norway have done a pretty good job of releasing relevant information without feeding speculation.
Bonefishblues wrote:Vorpal wrote:Bonefishblues wrote:Or indeed a white Norwegian, in sad recent memory?
I don't think that many people have portrayed him as vulnerable or suffering form mental health issues, and I think that the authorities in Norway have done a pretty good job of releasing relevant information without feeding speculation.
I'm not sure I understood the point you made previous to my posting the above then Vorpal - how would you contrast the two?
Ben@Forest wrote:Cunobelin wrote:What I find ironic is that you are stating that people are entitled to have their opinion heard while supporting Right Wing Extremists trying to stop exactly that!
That is almost funny if it was not so tragic
The whole issue seems to be around abuse in politics and greater society but it occurs even on this thread talking about it - looking at the 'anchor' comment above.
It's difficult to know what to think about the 'Soubry event'. It is nasty and not decent behaviour, but when would that particular incident step over the line into being illegal? When does loud shouting and offensive words become become threatening behaviour? If protestors were pulled away and arrested there'd be more response on here suggesting we'd become a police state.
I don't think this behaviour is new - when working miners went though picket lines in the 84/85 strike I'm sure the abuse and intimidation was just as bad. And in the 1830s the Duke of Wellington (then a politician) had iron shutters fitted to his house after mobs had shattered his windows on several occasions. I think the mob will always be with us.
Vorpal wrote:Bonefishblues wrote:Vorpal wrote:I don't think that many people have portrayed him as vulnerable or suffering form mental health issues, and I think that the authorities in Norway have done a pretty good job of releasing relevant information without feeding speculation.
I'm not sure I understood the point you made previous to my posting the above then Vorpal - how would you contrast the two?
Sorry, part of my earlier point was that white people who commit violence are often treated in the media differently from Muslims or ethnic minorities. White perpetrators are protrayed as loners, misguided, or even vulnerable. A key aspect of this is combing through their history for any hint of mental or emotional disorders.
I'm not aware that that sort of information about Brevik was released to the media.
Vorpal wrote:Bonefishblues wrote:Vorpal wrote:I don't think that many people have portrayed him as vulnerable or suffering form mental health issues, and I think that the authorities in Norway have done a pretty good job of releasing relevant information without feeding speculation.
I'm not sure I understood the point you made previous to my posting the above then Vorpal - how would you contrast the two?
Sorry, part of my earlier point was that white people who commit violence are often treated in the media differently from Muslims or ethnic minorities. White perpetrators are protrayed as loners, misguided, or even vulnerable. A key aspect of this is combing through their history for any hint of mental or emotional disorders.
I'm not aware that that sort of information about Brevik was released to the media.
pete75 wrote:Vorpal wrote:Bonefishblues wrote:I'm not sure I understood the point you made previous to my posting the above then Vorpal - how would you contrast the two?
Sorry, part of my earlier point was that white people who commit violence are often treated in the media differently from Muslims or ethnic minorities. White perpetrators are protrayed as loners, misguided, or even vulnerable. A key aspect of this is combing through their history for any hint of mental or emotional disorders.
I'm not aware that that sort of information about Brevik was released to the media.
Quite. After relatively few incidents the Muslim community is tarred with terrorism. During my lifetime most of the terrorist attacks in the country were carried out white, Roman Catholic terrorists. The Catholic community was treated very differently to how Muslims have been treated by the media.
pwa wrote:pete75 wrote:Vorpal wrote:Sorry, part of my earlier point was that white people who commit violence are often treated in the media differently from Muslims or ethnic minorities. White perpetrators are protrayed as loners, misguided, or even vulnerable. A key aspect of this is combing through their history for any hint of mental or emotional disorders.
I'm not aware that that sort of information about Brevik was released to the media.
Quite. After relatively few incidents the Muslim community is tarred with terrorism. During my lifetime most of the terrorist attacks in the country were carried out white, Roman Catholic terrorists. The Catholic community was treated very differently to how Muslims have been treated by the media.
Only because they stand out. My Dad was temporarily taken into custody after an IRA bombing because he was an Irish Catholic and therefore suspicious. He thought that was natural and didn't resent it too much.