Jayden Moodie

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Re: Jayden Moodie

Postby Vorpal » 11 Jan 2019, 9:00am

100%JR wrote:I wish I could look at it with the same compassion as you but unfortunately I can't.I hope I'm proved wrong but I'm not holding my breath.

Everything should be looked at with compassion.
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Re: Jayden Moodie

Postby roubaixtuesday » 11 Jan 2019, 9:07am

Vorpal wrote:
100%JR wrote:I wish I could look at it with the same compassion as you but unfortunately I can't.I hope I'm proved wrong but I'm not holding my breath.

Everything should be looked at with compassion.


The apparent desire of some commenters here to condemn a 14yo murdered child tells us far more about the commenters than the child, IMO.

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Re: Jayden Moodie

Postby Mick F » 11 Jan 2019, 9:33am

I hope you're not including me in that statement. I am the OP here.

My compassion is very much with Jayden and his family and friends, but my compassion is aimed at his murderers too.

My complaints are aimed at the society that he and they live in. The fact that he was on a moped at age 14 in the dark on the streets of London possibly illustrates my point, and the fact that this hasn't been raised in the press (to my knowledge) tells a tale about them being scared to raise it due to the possible public outcry regarding victim blaming.

I would think that some people are indeed addressing this subject. Or at least I hope they are, because there must be loads of Jaydens out there on the dark streets of big cities.
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Re: Jayden Moodie

Postby rob_wales » 11 Jan 2019, 9:39am

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Re: Jayden Moodie

Postby mercalia » 11 Jan 2019, 10:50am

rob_wales wrote:I seriously think it's about time this whole Tea Shop section was closed down. <SNIP - please stop quoting the entire post immediately above.>

just dont visit the forum. easy soln. rather than impose your dictates on others
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Re: Jayden Moodie

Postby brynpoeth » 11 Jan 2019, 11:10am

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No the Tea Shop should not be closed down, but I am a bit uneasy about speculation on awful news stories
Most forum members live in leafy suburbs, I imagine, including me, and do not know much about this, right?
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Re: Jayden Moodie

Postby Oldjohnw » 11 Jan 2019, 2:03pm

The Teashop is not, of course, a cycling forum and is specifically a place where non-cycling topics can be discussed.

But I agree: there have been some irresponsible and judgmental comments which are at best mere guesswork about a tragedy.
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Re: Jayden Moodie

Postby Mick F » 12 Jan 2019, 10:48am

I know it's the DM, but this is worth the read.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -path.html
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Re: Jayden Moodie

Postby pwa » 12 Jan 2019, 11:20am

Oldjohnw wrote:The Teashop is not, of course, a cycling forum and is specifically a place where non-cycling topics can be discussed.

But I agree: the have been some irresponsible and judgmental comments which are at best mere guesswork about a tragedy.

I'm not sure about that. Mostly the comments have acknowledged what a tragedy and a waste of a young life this event has been.

The boy was riding a moped illegally (seems to be a fact), was in a photo posing as if pretending to have a gun, and there were reports of a witness saying he had had a knife on a previous occasion. The latter is heresay rather than fact, but these things do point to the lad having a troubled existence. It doesn't mean he was unworthy of sympathy or anything like that.

He was a 14 year old boy and regardless of any imperfections in the way he lived, he was a 14 year old boy who was murdered. That is shocking. !4 year old boys go a bit off the rails in the easiest of communities and I think this lad might well have got through this stage and gone on to do something worthwhile with his life if he had been given the chance.

My own take on it so far is that the neighbourhood where this lad lost his life is dysfunctional and it is a bad place to raise children. As a tax payer living in an easier environment i would like more money to be directed at helping families in that location to get their kids through childhood safely and with a sense of self worth and direction.

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Re: Jayden Moodie

Postby horizon » 12 Jan 2019, 12:56pm

rob_wales wrote:I seriously think it's about time this whole Tea Shop section was closed down.


One value of the Tea Shop is that it gives a context to people's views and opinions that do matter when discussing cycling issues. I participate in the forum because it broadly reflects my values and concerns as a cyclist. Even technical questions are often value driven and issues like promoting road safety and the punishment of offenders is critical to the formation of policy - as CUK knows.

As regards this particular topic, I was cycling in inner-city North London earlier this week. Some of the area was unfamiliar to me and I was (for better or worse) listening to the News on headphones as I cycled. I have to admit it changed my perception and feeling about cycling there and whether I might confront a motorist for example or cycle after dark.

I too would rather the Forum stuck to cycling but cycling without any political or social context is to me not cycling. So while the Tea Shop might veer off from time to time and needs good moderation (thank you, Mods), I wouldn't like to see it shut down.
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Re: Jayden Moodie

Postby Oldjohnw » 12 Jan 2019, 5:14pm

Pretty well everything in life has a political aspect: food, countryside, ecology, transport, health and education, safety of the roads, and yes, cycling.
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Re: Jayden Moodie

Postby pete75 » 12 Jan 2019, 7:33pm

brynpoeth wrote:Most forum members live in leafy suburbs, I imagine, including me, and do not know much about this, right?

Imagine away. I certainly don't. ANyhow even if folk do live in suburbs they won't be leafy in early January ... :lol:

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Re: Jayden Moodie

Postby djnotts » 12 Jan 2019, 8:10pm

pete75 wrote:
brynpoeth wrote:Most forum members live in leafy suburbs, I imagine, including me, and do not know much about this, right?

Imagine away. I certainly don't.


Nor I. Practically hear the gun fire from St Anns when it went thro' a really hard phase. But not I know like parts of London and a few other places suffering last couple of years. There's tough and there's unbearable. A generation failed by the rest of us.

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Re: Jayden Moodie

Postby Bonefishblues » 12 Jan 2019, 8:21pm

Mick F wrote:I know it's the DM, but this is worth the read.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -path.html

There were obviously reasons for his recent expulsion, but one wonders what if any contribution it might have made to his demise.

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Re: Jayden Moodie

Postby rob_wales » 12 Jan 2019, 10:52pm

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