Yellow Jacket dilemma

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Yellow Jacket dilemma

Postby 661-Pete » 9 Jan 2019, 7:02pm

No not the French Gilets Jaunes....

I'm talking about the English variety as sported by scum like this unpleasant individual.

Trouble is, I do wear my faithful old Altura jacket - which is yellow - when out cycling after dark (and also in daytime when cold or wet). And sometimes when off the bike. But I don't want to be in any way identified with this mob. Will the fact that mine is zipped and full-sleeved, rather than just a waistcoat, identify me as a bona fide wearer of hi-viz?

And let's not resume the hoary old debate about whether hi-viz makes you more visible or not! I wear mine because it's comfortable and keeps me warm and dry. In my experience - speaking as a motorist - I do find that cyclists wearing hi-viz show up for me sooner, on a dark road, than cyclists not in hi-viz. I concede that others dispute this finding.

Perhaps I should change to orange?
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Re: Yellow Jacket dilemma

Postby kwackers » 9 Jan 2019, 7:14pm

Just need to modify your current one.

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Re: Yellow Jacket dilemma

Postby mjr » 9 Jan 2019, 7:54pm

661-Pete wrote:And let's not resume the hoary old debate about whether hi-viz makes you more visible or not! I wear mine because it's comfortable and keeps me warm and dry. In my experience - speaking as a motorist - I do find that cyclists wearing hi-viz show up for me sooner, on a dark road, than cyclists not in hi-viz. I concede that others dispute this finding.

If only you hadn't put those last two sentences on there - but you did, so let me point out that showing up sooner isn't what's disputed - it's whether it's significantly sooner and whether that does any good! Anyway, the research is in and hi-viz is considered harmful in https://www.camcycle.org.uk/newsletters ... cle23.html
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Re: Yellow Jacket dilemma

Postby pwa » 9 Jan 2019, 8:10pm

I wear hi-viz vests for work and have done for twenty years or more, as does practically everyone on any well run building site, so they are to be associated with decent people getting on with some honest task. People who bring them into disrepute should be stripped of them.

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Re: Yellow Jacket dilemma

Postby Ben@Forest » 9 Jan 2019, 8:14pm

pwa wrote:I wear hi-viz vests for work and have done for twenty years or more, as does practically everyone on any well run building site, so they are to be associated with decent people getting on with some honest task. People who bring them into disrepute should be stripped of them.


I was going to say he's a cyclist - half the population hate him already... :wink:

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Re: Yellow Jacket dilemma

Postby pwa » 9 Jan 2019, 8:16pm

Ben@Forest wrote:
pwa wrote:I wear hi-viz vests for work and have done for twenty years or more, as does practically everyone on any well run building site, so they are to be associated with decent people getting on with some honest task. People who bring them into disrepute should be stripped of them.


I was going to say he's a cyclist - half the population hate him already... :wink:

Which half don't?

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Re: Yellow Jacket dilemma

Postby gbnz » 9 Jan 2019, 9:12pm

pwa wrote:I wear hi-viz vests for work and have done for twenty years or more, as does practically everyone on any well run building site, so they are to be associated with decent people getting on with some honest task. People who bring them into disrepute should be stripped of them.


+ 1. I've worn hi-viz whilst working at everything from menial to professional level positions, as many people have (NB. And while it's irrelevant, I've honestly never met a poor sort wearing one :? ). The basic EN471 standard are incredibly cheap, c/w 10-20 times the reflective area of a purpose produced cycling high viz

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Re: Yellow Jacket dilemma

Postby pete75 » 9 Jan 2019, 9:24pm

661-Pete wrote:No not the French Gilets Jaunes....

I'm talking about the English variety as sported by scum like this unpleasant individual.

Trouble is, I do wear my faithful old Altura jacket - which is yellow - when out cycling after dark (and also in daytime when cold or wet). And sometimes when off the bike. But I don't want to be in any way identified with this mob. Will the fact that mine is zipped and full-sleeved, rather than just a waistcoat, identify me as a bona fide wearer of hi-viz?

And let's not resume the hoary old debate about whether hi-viz makes you more visible or not! I wear mine because it's comfortable and keeps me warm and dry. In my experience - speaking as a motorist - I do find that cyclists wearing hi-viz show up for me sooner, on a dark road, than cyclists not in hi-viz. I concede that others dispute this finding.

Perhaps I should change to orange?


Actually the French lot seem worse than him - well at least he restricts his unpleasantness to shouting not

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Re: Yellow Jacket dilemma

Postby 661-Pete » 9 Jan 2019, 10:51pm

pete75 wrote:well at least he restricts his unpleasantness to shouting...
So did hitler.
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Re: Yellow Jacket dilemma

Postby brynpoeth » 9 Jan 2019, 11:01pm

Camouflage, zebra stripes, pyjamas :wink:
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Re: Yellow Jacket dilemma

Postby pete75 » 9 Jan 2019, 11:30pm

661-Pete wrote:
pete75 wrote:well at least he restricts his unpleasantness to shouting...
So did hitler.


Yes he did apart from the 6 million who died in his camps, the rape of Poland, the wholesale massacres in Russia and so on and so forth.

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Re: Yellow Jacket dilemma

Postby 661-Pete » 10 Jan 2019, 8:46am

pete75 wrote:
661-Pete wrote:
pete75 wrote:well at least he restricts his unpleasantness to shouting...
So did hitler.


Yes he did apart from the 6 million who died in his camps, the rape of Poland, the wholesale massacres in Russia and so on and so forth.
I should have added "....at first".
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Re: Yellow Jacket dilemma

Postby pete75 » 10 Jan 2019, 10:36am

661-Pete wrote:
pete75 wrote:
661-Pete wrote:So did hitler.


Yes he did apart from the 6 million who died in his camps, the rape of Poland, the wholesale massacres in Russia and so on and so forth.
I should have added "....at first".


Not even then - there was stuff like the Munich Beer Hall Putsch quite early on in 1923 not long after he'd left the army. The putsch involved the use of machine guns, about 20 deaths with Hitler himself firing shots.
Anyhow reprehensible though the activities of the UK yellow vests are they're nowhere near as bad as those of their French counterparts encouraged by Marine Le Pen, a far more dangerous neo fascist than any in this country.

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Re: Yellow Jacket dilemma

Postby mjr » 10 Jan 2019, 10:56am

pete75 wrote:
661-Pete wrote:
pete75 wrote:
Yes he did apart from the 6 million who died in his camps, the rape of Poland, the wholesale massacres in Russia and so on and so forth.
I should have added "....at first".


Not even then - there was stuff like the Munich Beer Hall Putsch quite early on in 1923 not long after he'd left the army. [...]

But German Workers Party Party Chairman Anton Drexler "was impressed with Hitler's oratorical skills" (wikipedia) as early as 1919, so the shouting indeed came first.

Still - nasty people. Are the UK Yellow Jackets a rebranding of blackshirts?
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Re: Yellow Jacket dilemma

Postby Cours » 10 Jan 2019, 11:09am

We English do this sort of thing so much better though.
London and Manchester Riots 2011.
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