Yellow Jacket dilemma

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Re: Yellow Jacket dilemma

Postby pete75 » 10 Jan 2019, 11:52am

mjr wrote:
pete75 wrote:
661-Pete wrote:I should have added "....at first".


Not even then - there was stuff like the Munich Beer Hall Putsch quite early on in 1923 not long after he'd left the army. [...]

But German Workers Party Party Chairman Anton Drexler "was impressed with Hitler's oratorical skills" (wikipedia) as early as 1919, so the shouting indeed came first.

Still - nasty people. Are the UK Yellow Jackets a rebranding of blackshirts?


A bit more than shouting when that comment was made. He was actually an army intelligence agent who'd been ordered to infiltrate the party. Anyhow it's not a direct comparison - as you say Hitler was praised for his oratorical skills which is not the same thing as shouting. The yellow vest protesters in London haven't got any oratorical skills - nor, I suspect, any other skills.

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Re: Yellow Jacket dilemma

Postby mjr » 10 Jan 2019, 12:05pm

pete75 wrote:as you say Hitler was praised for his oratorical skills which is not the same thing as shouting.

If you watch any of his speeches, his oratorical "skills" did involve rather a lot of shouting.

pete75 wrote:The yellow vest protesters in London haven't got any oratorical skills - nor, I suspect, any other skills.

Oh I don't know - they seem to be quite good at hijacking another movement's clothing and getting media coverage, don't they?
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Re: Yellow Jacket dilemma

Postby pete75 » 10 Jan 2019, 12:14pm

mjr wrote:
pete75 wrote:as you say Hitler was praised for his oratorical skills which is not the same thing as shouting.

If you watch any of his speeches, his oratorical "skills" did involve rather a lot of shouting.


And all the yellow vests in London have is shouting - no content. Anyhow I suppose once 661-pete invoked Godwin's law we shouldn't really be adding to it.

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Re: Yellow Jacket dilemma

Postby Ben@Forest » 10 Jan 2019, 12:39pm

mjr wrote:
pete75 wrote:as you say Hitler was praised for his oratorical skills which is not the same thing as shouting.

If you watch any of his speeches, his oratorical "skills" did involve rather a lot of shouting


Not always l think. I have read a contemporaneous account of someone who observed Hitler at close quarters. He noted how Hitler would speak and present himself differently to different audiences. So calm and measured to the Association of German Lawyers (or whatever), but more animated and forceful to a beer hall full of workers.

I can't remember where l read this (it could have been a German account) but it was evident Hitler knew his crowd. Plus of course there would be no film footage of the smaller venues, only at the big occasions where he worked himself and the crowd into a lather. Plus plus even serious documentaries don't show Hitler speaking moderately about the development of autobahns but with a flailing arm and forelock shouting about crushing Russia.

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Re: Yellow Jacket dilemma

Postby Graham » 10 Jan 2019, 6:26pm

The rabid mob certainly don't subscribe to Road Safety measure . . . . .. or more widely to "the common good" . . . . .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46822472

Worrying times . . . .

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Re: Yellow Jacket dilemma

Postby thirdcrank » 13 Jan 2019, 12:38pm

Still - nasty people. Are the UK Yellow Jackets a rebranding of blackshirts?


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