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World's steepest street?

Posted: 10 Jan 2019, 9:10am
by 661-Pete
Amid all the more weighty controversies that are dividing the peoples of the world at the present time - here's one of a more light-hearted nature:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... rld-record

So it's Baldwin Street, Dunedin, NZ vs. Pen Ffordd Llech, Harlech, Wales. Which one is going to come out the winner?

All you dedicated grimpeurs out there, reading this - have you tackled either one or both of them? Not I! I've walked up a small part of PFL, but never cycled it. And I've never been to NZ. I hope someone on here can go better...

Re: World's steepest street?

Posted: 10 Jan 2019, 10:43am
by peetee
I have walked FPL but I wasn't convinced it's the steepest road. I know it's not comparable directly but I rode Rosedale Chimney where I met an oncoming vehicle at the hairpin bend and was forced to use the inside line. That was DEFINITELY steeper. :oops:

Re: World's steepest street?

Posted: 10 Jan 2019, 11:21am
by Mick F
We've had this discussion before.
My vote is for this street in Whitby.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.48896 ... bfov%3D100
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Re: World's steepest street?

Posted: 10 Jan 2019, 1:20pm
by philvantwo
Did you go there in your submarine Mick F?

Re: World's steepest street?

Posted: 10 Jan 2019, 2:11pm
by Mick F
Holidayed there in the late 50s and last time there I cycled there. :D

Grand tour of Scotland, N England and Wales 2008.
Took the train to Edinburgh, then rode to Inverness and out to the west coast, working my way down The Mull and to Arran, then SW Scotland, into England and across the North Pennines to Whitby.
From there, I went SW to Rosedale Chimney ........... I met Thirdcrank! :D ............. via Ripon to Preston, then south to North Wales, out west to Snowdonia and Carnarvon, then Llyn Peninsula, then south down the coast and then SE to pop out at Gloucester and headed home.

1400miles over three weeks.
http://my-grand-tour.blogspot.com

Re: World's steepest street?

Posted: 10 Jan 2019, 2:45pm
by al_yrpal

Re: World's steepest street?

Posted: 10 Jan 2019, 4:28pm
by rualexander
Tried to cycle up Baldwin St in Dunedin 20 odd years ago.
Got about half way before running out of steam.
Actually the difficulty was trying to keep enough weight on the front to stop the front wheel lifting off the ground and trying to keep enough weight on the rear to stop the rear wheel from losing traction. Tricky.

Re: World's steepest street?

Posted: 10 Jan 2019, 4:34pm
by Mick F
There has to be a knack.
When I was riding the Chopper, I fitted panniers on the front to carry some weight so it wouldn't do wheelies on steep hills.
The back end was heavy enough, and as I'd modified the gearing, I had a good low-ish gear, and it was fine - even towing my trailer.

Take that design of bike, keep the weight on the front but with a good strong rear with a good wheelbase, plus having a low enough gear ratio, and it would and could be done. Steep as you like.

Re: World's steepest street?

Posted: 10 Jan 2019, 4:54pm
by thirdcrank
Presumably, the first requirement is for the centre of gravity of rider and machine to be in front of the back axle. Otherwise, overbalancing backwards is inevitable. Then, it needs a low enough gear to be able to ride up the hill (and without doing anything to shift the centre of gravity backwards.) If both those were achieved - perhaps by some sort of recumbent which had the rider's head at the front - there would come a point where the whole caboodle would just slide backwards down the hill, unless the back wheel was built with a toothed rim to run in a suitable track. All with Dvořák in the background. :wink: Or should that be Denza? :roll:

Re: World's steepest street?

Posted: 10 Jan 2019, 7:18pm
by peetee
thirdcrank wrote:Presumably, the first requirement is for the centre of gravity of rider and machine to be in front of the back axle. Otherwise, overbalancing backwards is inevitable. Then, it needs a low enough gear to be able to ride up the hill (and without doing anything to shift the centre of gravity backwards.) If both those were achieved - perhaps by some sort of recumbent which had the rider's head at the front - there would come a point where the whole caboodle would just slide backwards down the hill, unless the back wheel was built with a toothed rim to run in a suitable track. All with Dvořák in the background. :wink: Or should that be Denza? :roll:


I think the opening to Carmina Burana should do the trick. :D

Re: World's steepest street?

Posted: 10 Jan 2019, 8:38pm
by landsurfer
Berridale .... Its a street, it has a cafe and a cemetery on it ..... .... :)

Re: World's steepest street?

Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 12:24am
by NUKe
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uRGn9AY0ysA
Ok it’s motorcycles and ok it’s in Belgium but it’s fun, and it would seem along wheel base is an advantage.

Re: World's steepest street?

Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 1:24pm
by peetee
NUKe wrote:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uRGn9AY0ysA
Ok it’s motorcycles and ok it’s in Belgium but it’s fun, and it would seem along wheel base is an advantage.


I could do that on 23c slicks with a 43 tooth and a straight through block. 8)

Re: World's steepest street?

Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 2:25pm
by 661-Pete
NUKe wrote:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uRGn9AY0ysA
Ok it’s motorcycles and ok it’s in Belgium but it’s fun, and it would seem along wheel base is an advantage.
I'm far from being a motorbike fan, but it almost brings a tear to one's eye, seeing all those bikes being seemingly destroyed. Do they get repaired and sent out on the trial again?

Before we even come to mention the riders. The blurb says, none of them were 'seriously' injured. Was all the minor 'damage' patched up?