"While they have lived in the city on and off for 40 years, they never sought UK citizenship." I assume that means not just in the CITY but the UK? other wise the ref to not getting UK citizenship dont make sense?
You assume a lot.
no I am not. what other reading of it is there?
x has lived in Cornwall on and off for the last 40 years but never sought uk citizenship (eh? oh he lives in London mostly )
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If the folk in the Home Office are of this planet, surely they should be using cases like this to guide re-calibration of regulations. Normal decent people will look at this and say, if the rules as they are don't allow this couple to stay, the rules must be wrong. So what do we have to do to the rules to allow this couple to stay, without throwing away the rules completely? That is how they should be reacting to this. Fine tuning.
pwa wrote:If the folk in the Home Office are of this planet, surely they should be using cases like this to guide re-calibration of regulations. Normal decent people will look at this and say, if the rules as they are don't allow this couple to stay, the rules must be wrong. So what do we have to do to the rules to allow this couple to stay, without throwing away the rules completely? That is how they should be reacting to this. Fine tuning.
is it down to the homeoffice? or the Home Secretary in control there? even he/she has to follow rules? and rules have to avoid allowing the wrong things to happen. Any onewho has glanced at legal documents of state ( and given up) know it is a tortuous matter to frame them?
My opinion is that a sensible person avoids tangling with the state as far as possible as it is blind to individuals circumstances, (where otherwise morality would suggest a course of action). The state is like a meat grinder or a giant walking around not looking what he is treading on. My local squirrels understand this. I put out some sunflower seeds and some times nuts. They might tap on my window but keep away from me, go to the end of the balcony, until I leave, I must seem like a lumbering 100m tall giant to them who might tread on them by accident?
Hi, When I was in hospital 35 years ago- I was in award of 4. Me Iranian South African. A another.
South African was coming over with money belt every trip. He talked to Iranian and he was in the Iraq Iranian war. Came over for operation then back home to the mandatory two year stint in the war.
The life we live in what can you do.
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thirdcrank wrote:Can you remember anything about the origins of the medical staff?
When I was in ITU in 83 , both the one consultant's (white) side kicks two were Asian IIRC one at least, he was good, he was paid the same as me to save my life.
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Hello all, It seems like the paper chasers are at it again? One make a general remark to illustrate a reasonable point only to be jumped on by someone demanding chapter & verse over every single element! If on merely says something like - "Why are we accepting more & more people to enter the country, when as is clearly true that we have a housing crisis?". Wait for the venom to be injected. We are called racist, accused of being heartless, but this seems to overlook the fact that we don't have enough housing for all of those who have been here for decades, but then we get beaten up about that truth! Then we get the NHS crisis thrown in our faces. What is blatently true is the fact that for many, many years this countries movers & shakers have refused to invest in adequate training provision, no apprenticeships, minimal advanced skills provision, merely banging on and on about the "University Values", ho bloody ho. God help us ignoramouses who even brought about the Brexit mess. Must hurry up and die to please the critics. IGICB MM
One thing that seems obvious to me is that to he extent there's a housing crisis it's not caused by migrant labour. If I look only as far as up and down my own street, the majority of the family-sized houses are occupied by older people whose families have now moved. There are all sorts of reasons why people - including me - continue to live in houses much bigger than we need. Then, an ageing population needs younger people to look after them. At 74 I know that I'm in this category.
I don't feel the need to blame migrant labour for the problems they have been lured here to help solve.
MM Do you have any idea of the positive contribution immigrants make to the UK economy? You do realise that the couple in question have lived here since the late 1970's and having bought an apartment here I think we can safely say will have paid taxes and NI contribution(which are stopped at source by employers). They also have family here who I strongly suspect have also lived and worked here.
Yes there's a shortage of housing but that's the fault of successive governments over the past 40 odd years not of immigrants,the vast majority of whom come here to work and contribute to society. Yes there'll be shysters and villans amongst those immigrants and it's the authorities job to remove them from the society they're a burden on.But I strongly suspect that the elderly couple in question don't belong to that group,but never say never. Though we do live in a country that has a policy of being innocent until proven guilty,well it did last time I looked,though some I suspect would have that policy reversed on their own prejudicial mindset.
EDIT:- Story alert:- There was an interview on local news just before Christmas of a surgeon(a brain surgeon IIRC)who worked in one of the Manchester hospitals(I forget which).He was an Iraqi who'd fled the country with his one remaining son who'd survived after his family(wife and three other sons) had all been killed in a mistaken US drone strike. Anyway his brother also a doctor lived here,and invited him to come and work here,once every three months he made the trip back to Bagdad to operate on people who needed his specialist treatment which was short on the ground in Iraq.
On the face of it without the knowledge of this man's story,he was an immigrant,spent time outside of the UK and his son was also an immigrant,should he be told to go back to Iraq?
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