Slowing motor traffic - press the button!

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Do you press the button to stop speeding crime?

Poll ended at 7 Mar 2019, 6:15pm

Yes, if I have time several times
2
5%
Yes, anything reducing speed, +1!
1
3%
Sometimes
1
3%
Only if I want to cross
16
42%
Not occurred to me, shall in future
1
3%
No, that is interfering
0
No votes
No, that is childish
13
34%
No, afraid to annoy drivers
0
No votes
No, surely that is illegal/illogical
3
8%
I fight speeding in other ways: e.g.:
1
3%
 
Total votes: 38

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Re: Slowing motor traffic - press the button!

Postby brynpoeth » 4 Feb 2019, 8:25pm

reohn2 wrote:
brynpoeth wrote:Wrong again, refusing speeds and holding up the Knights of the Road reduces danger overall as explained several times, one should try it to form an opinion before criticising

My opinion has been formed over a long period of driving,cycling,and being a pedestrian.At no point in my life have I ever had reason to press the button on a crossing unless I intended to cross.

My opinions have been formed in like manner, as a cyclist first
I shall not be complaining about your strong language, not sure if it is the sort of thing that should appear here mind, but I find it entertaining, Plus One!
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Re: Slowing motor traffic - press the button!

Postby ThePinkOne » 4 Feb 2019, 8:53pm

Surely the answer to preventing motoring crime is "campaign for more traffic police and motoring crime reduction schemes."

Similarly, surely the answer to preventing robbery crime is campaigning for more policing on the streets plus effectiveness schemes to reduce the attractiveness of robbery.

In neither case (motor crime or robbery) I would suggest is vigilantism the answer albeit the desire is a natural human gut response- that someone might feel like "sending the boys around" if a loved one got injured in a robbery (or motor crime). But vigilantism cannot be the answer, not whilst we live in a civilised society/democracy. Brynpoeth, maybe the answer for you is to seek election as a Police commissioner and make a real difference. The attitude of local police can be hugely effective as with Operation Close Pass. Whereas I suspect that in the long term, acts of petty vigilantism are unlikely to achieve much that is meaningful. Organised and focused protest can also work if done in the right way.

TPO

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Re: Slowing motor traffic - press the button!

Postby brynpoeth » 4 Feb 2019, 9:05pm

100%JR wrote:
Cugel wrote:Cyclists don't kill and maim thousands each year, silly. Cuh! Keep up. Have you never been terrorised by a motorist whilst on your bike? If not, you are unique among the cycling tribes.
Cugel

I have never been "terrorised" by anyone in over 45 years of cycling.Then again I live in the real world :wink:
"Terrorised" :roll:

Often been terrorised when driving on the motorway on long roadworks sections with say 50 mph maximum limit, should be quite relaxing, keep well behind the vehicle in front, but the truck terrorist behind comes right close and flashes her lights although there is no possibility to go faster or let her by
Only thing to do is slow down to match the speed to the gap
Terrorism is the word for this. I try to avoid having a truck next in the queue behind me but it is not always possible
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Re: Slowing motor traffic - press the button!

Postby 661-Pete » 4 Feb 2019, 9:41pm

I think this thread is chasing its own tail round and round the M25.....
....which might be the point.
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Re: Slowing motor traffic - press the button!

Postby Bonefishblues » 4 Feb 2019, 9:45pm

661-Pete wrote:I think this thread is chasing its own tail round and round the M25.....
....which might be the point.

The thought had occurred, as often.

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Re: Slowing motor traffic - press the button!

Postby Airsporter1st » 4 Feb 2019, 10:48pm

Cugel wrote:
brynpoeth wrote:My opinions have been formed in like manner, as a cyclist first
I shall not be complaining about your strong language, not sure if it is the sort of thing that should appear here mind, but I find it entertaining, Plus One!


As my sark early in the thread, replying to another of your button-pressing posts indicates, I think the button-pressing is a rather empty and perhaps foolish gesture that'll make no difference to anything. One way or another. I imagine most drivers don't even notice.

I do find the over-reaction of various other posters in this thread, accusing you of being some sort of criminal, a somewhat alarming attitude to a very minor act of rebellion against the regime of carmaggedon. Nor would it surprise me if many of those defending the supposedly fuming drivers delayed by a few seconds were themselves much more serious breakers of the law in their cars, on a regular basis. I often hear the most otherwise sensible people complaining about getting penalised for speeding; or observe them tailgating, failing to pay attention or becoming impatient if held up by someone in front going slower than the limit, even if the risks of going at the limit are obvious.

Many drivers are selfish, oblivious of the dangers and otherwise careless at a low level. A significant proportion are recklessly careless. A significant subset of them are habitually dangerous. They all seek to justify their actions based on some sort of "Everyone does it" or "I know best" nonsense.

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So, I wouldn't regard your button-pressing as something suitable for application of the law or even a mild tut. On the other hand, I feel those keen to promote the interests of the car, including those driven about by impatient Toads careless of anyone else's safety, are deserving of quite a large tut, as well as the odd cutting glance of disdain. So there. :-)

Cugel


My reaction (note the deliberate omission of the 'over' prefix) is based on the simple belief that a cyclist deliberately antagonising motorists and inciting others to do so, does nothing for our cause and can in fact be seriously counterproductive. Wherever possible, I find it far more effective to extend courtesy to other road users, regardless of whether I am in the saddle, behind the wheel or afoot. I like to think that I am thereby doing something far more positive to promote road safety than brynpoeth.

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Re: Slowing motor traffic - press the button!

Postby mjr » 4 Feb 2019, 11:32pm

That "courtesy" argument is not great because where does it stop? I have been accused of "deliberately antagonising motorists" by riding in primary/control position on approach to a blind brow.

One could say we already show ample courtesy by not spewing pollution all over motorists. What do they do in return? Merely refrain from killing us more quickly?

But I still won't push buttons because it delays other walkers.
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Re: Slowing motor traffic - press the button!

Postby brynpoeth » 5 Feb 2019, 2:24am

mjr wrote:That "courtesy" argument is not great because where does it stop? I have been accused of "deliberately antagonising motorists" by riding in primary/control position on approach to a blind brow.

One could say we already show ample courtesy by not spewing pollution all over motorists. What do they do in return? Merely refrain from killing us more quickly?

But I still won't push buttons because it delays other walkers.

Usually helps PoFs where I do it :wink:
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Re: Slowing motor traffic - press the button!

Postby brynpoeth » 5 Feb 2019, 5:24am

An expert might say that the language* used by my critics says more about them than it does about me

* not the sort of thing one would use face-to-face, right? :?
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Re: Slowing motor traffic - press the button!

Postby pwa » 5 Feb 2019, 8:31am

A few miles down the road from me is the entrance to a limestone quarry. It doesn't generate a lot of traffic but to be on the safe side the Highways people gave it a set of traffic lights to allow lorries to leave safely. But the lights on the main road go on red every time traffic approaches, regardless of the speed. Even a bicycle will trigger it. When I cycle that way I momentarily go into the gutter to avoid triggering a red that I will have to stop at, before it goes back to green a few seconds later. And the result of this pointless red light is that locals now ignore it. They are so used to it going red for no reason that they drive through it. That is what apparently malfunctioning pointless red lights do. They generate frustration, contempt and non-compliance.
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Re: Slowing motor traffic - press the button!

Postby pete75 » 5 Feb 2019, 8:34am

brynpoeth wrote:An expert might say that the language* used by my critics says more about them than it does about me

* not the sort of thing one would use face-to-face, right? :?


There's nothing I've put on here that I wouldn't say to you face to face and I suspect that goes for most other posters as well.

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Re: Slowing motor traffic - press the button!

Postby pete75 » 5 Feb 2019, 8:36am

661-Pete wrote:I think this thread is chasing its own tail round and round the M25.....
....which might be the point.


Maybe they should put some pedestrian controlled crossing lights on it to slow down the chase.
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Re: Slowing motor traffic - press the button!

Postby Vorpal » 5 Feb 2019, 8:45am

Thread has been pruned again. Please stop insulting each other.

This thread is taking too much moderator time. If folks can't argue nicely, it will be binned.
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Re: Slowing motor traffic - press the button!

Postby mjr » 5 Feb 2019, 8:48am

pwa wrote:A few miles down the road from me is the entrance to a limestone quarry. It doesn't generate a lot of traffic but to be on the safe side the Highways people gave it a set of traffic lights to allow lorries to leave safely. But the lights on the main road go on red every time traffic approaches, regardless of the speed. Even a bicycle will trigger it. When I cycle that way I momentarily go into the gutter to avoid triggering a red that I will have to stop at, before it goes back to green a few seconds later. And the result of this pointless red light is that locals now ignore it. They are so used to it going red for no reason that they drive through it. That is what apparently malfunctioning pointless red lights do. They generate frustration, contempt and non-compliance.

Because people take the law into their own hands and don't report the fault! So if almost everyone else does it, why do so many people flame Bryn?
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Re: Slowing motor traffic - press the button!

Postby pete75 » 5 Feb 2019, 8:54am

mjr wrote:
pwa wrote:A few miles down the road from me is the entrance to a limestone quarry. It doesn't generate a lot of traffic but to be on the safe side the Highways people gave it a set of traffic lights to allow lorries to leave safely. But the lights on the main road go on red every time traffic approaches, regardless of the speed. Even a bicycle will trigger it. When I cycle that way I momentarily go into the gutter to avoid triggering a red that I will have to stop at, before it goes back to green a few seconds later. And the result of this pointless red light is that locals now ignore it. They are so used to it going red for no reason that they drive through it. That is what apparently malfunctioning pointless red lights do. They generate frustration, contempt and non-compliance.

Because people take the law into their own hands and don't report the fault! So if almost everyone else does it, why do so many people flame Bryn?


Which you've been doing as well with several post here attacking his idea.