Gravesend cyclist fined

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hondated
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Gravesend cyclist fined

Postby hondated » 18 Mar 2019, 4:51pm


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Re: Gravesend cyclist fined

Postby thirdcrank » 18 Mar 2019, 5:05pm

I'm getting déjà vu all over again. This sounds like the same case :?

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Re: Gravesend cyclist fined

Postby pwa » 18 Mar 2019, 5:08pm

The fine seems way over the top. It is a minor matter and should have been dealt with as such.

I do know pedestrianised streets that get too busy for cycling to be done safely, and if this street is one of those (I don't know it) I don't object to a ban. I am a pedestrian too.

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Re: Gravesend cyclist fined

Postby reohn2 » 18 Mar 2019, 5:22pm

£100 for speeding in a car,£440 riding a bike where you shouldn't, make your own mind up :?
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Re: Gravesend cyclist fined

Postby merseymouth » 18 Mar 2019, 5:24pm

Hello all, The sign says it all! Guilty as charged.
The main streets in Liverpool have a one way system for motor traffic, but some of them show permission for pedal cyclists to go in both directions.
However that is only before 10 am and after 4 pm, outside those times they must all comply with the prohibition!
Sadly both rules are ignored by both groups of traffic users, made worse by the police being as useful as a chocolate teapot! Indeed even if a police officer or a support worker gets nudged out of the way they do sweet FA about it!
Outside of the permitted hours I walk my tricycle if I have to be there, because as someone as already stated I like him am a pedestrian as well, as are we all! IGICB MM

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Re: Gravesend cyclist fined

Postby reohn2 » 18 Mar 2019, 5:30pm

merseymouth wrote:Hello all, The sign says it all! Guilty as charged.
The main streets in Liverpool have a one way system for motor traffic, but some of them show permission for pedal cyclists to go in both directions.
However that is only before 10 am and after 4 pm, outside those times they must all comply with the prohibition!
Sadly both rules are ignored by both groups of traffic users, made worse by the police being as useful as a chocolate teapot! Indeed even if a police officer or a support worker gets nudged out of the way they do sweet FA about it!
Outside of the permitted hours I walk my tricycle if I have to be there, because as someone as already stated I like him am a pedestrian as well, as are we all! IGICB MM

I've no problem with a fine,but £20 is a realistic one for such a minor infringement,£440 is nothing short of robbery.
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Re: Gravesend cyclist fined

Postby merseymouth » 18 Mar 2019, 6:13pm

Hi there, I didn't actually see what the fine was, it was just the actual offence that I was commenting on.
I fully agree that a fine of over £400 is absurd! They get less than that for killing someone with a car :shock: MM

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Re: Gravesend cyclist fined

Postby kwackers » 18 Mar 2019, 6:44pm

reohn2 wrote:£100 for speeding in a car,£440 riding a bike where you shouldn't, make your own mind up :?

I'm afraid the £440 was self inflicted.

The report said he was issued a fixed penalty which he ignored, ignored letters and didn't attend court.
I'd have fined him more. ;)


Reminds me of the scandal of the guy that got fined £600 (or thereabouts) for throwing an apple core out of a car.
Same deal. Could have just paid the £60 littering penalty but decided to ignore it and when it went to court and the big fine came out whined about he'd been hard done by.

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Re: Gravesend cyclist fined

Postby Vitara » 18 Mar 2019, 6:55pm

pwa wrote:The fine seems way over the top. It is a minor matter and should have been dealt with as such.

I do know pedestrianised streets that get too busy for cycling to be done safely, and if this street is one of those (I don't know it) I don't object to a ban. I am a pedestrian too.


I agree with Kwackers, it was dealt with appropriately with a fixed penalty notice, presumanly less than £50

It fine only escalated because of failure to pay followed by failure to turn up in court

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Re: Gravesend cyclist fined

Postby mercalia » 18 Mar 2019, 9:41pm

would you have stayed there and given your details? not as if he could take your number plate? do they have powers of arrest viz man handle you?

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Re: Gravesend cyclist fined

Postby reohn2 » 18 Mar 2019, 9:42pm

Vitara,Kwackers,MM.
Apologies didn't read that far down the link,as you were :oops: .
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Re: Gravesend cyclist fined

Postby drossall » 18 Mar 2019, 11:29pm

Wasn't there a point though that PSPOs are specifically not supposed to be used to create No Cycling areas by the back door? Agree that this does not justify ignoring the fine, but there's an element of ultra vires?

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Re: Gravesend cyclist fined

Postby thirdcrank » 19 Mar 2019, 7:27am

drossall wrote:Wasn't there a point though that PSPOs are specifically not supposed to be used to create No Cycling areas by the back door? Agree that this does not justify ignoring the fine, but there's an element of ultra vires?


IIRC, mjr (?) made this point or something similar in the thread about the cyclist getting a ticket in Bedford. IMO the only way to tackle this apparent trend to treat cyclists generally as delinquents is court action.
viewtopic.php?p=1326844#p1326844

People fulminating on here may feel a bit better but achieve nothing else.

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Re: Gravesend cyclist fined

Postby Oldjohnw » 19 Mar 2019, 8:09am

A motorist near near me received a fine of over £1200 which he claimed was for parking. People never read the article, just the headline, and were outraged.

The reality was that he had persistently parked in a restricted area and refused to pay the charges. He then refused to respond to the fines and eventually, received a court summons which he ignored. The £1200, which included costs, was the eventual quite predictible and, imv, correct outcome.
John

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Re: Gravesend cyclist fined

Postby thirdcrank » 19 Mar 2019, 8:23am

Near the top of this thread I linked to gaz's earlier post about the same incident, which quoted a council spokesman emphasising that this was the result of ignoring the enforcement action.