pwa wrote: Cugel wrote: pwa wrote:
I imagine the chimp as a child idea was based on the traditional notion that the royals are inbred, which is itself a bit bigoted but we have tolerated that line of banter because the group it picks on are in other ways privileged.
But Baker was not thinking clearly or he would have seen the "black person=monkey" interpretation, which I very much doubt is what he intended. Perils of the internet. Think of something, put it out there, then think again and wish you had thought more clearly before pressing the button. He is a professional, though, and should be more careful than that.
Is it a problem that we are calling an ape a monkey?
Are you defenders of the creature so naive? Baker knew exactly what he was saying and it's implications, context and likely effects. He was, as he has often done before, appealing to "the lads" with his mainsteam "lookitme, a proper footbal fan" schtick.
Now he has the publicity he craves, enhancing his footie-boy image. He will have another lucrative job soon, perhaps with one of the various right-wing newspap rags or other such media horns.
Of course, I could be wrong and he could just be very stupid. Ha!
I see him as someone who has made a daft mistake, you see him as a racist. I could be wrong and you could be right, but you seem to have listened to more of his output than me. Have you any specific examples of racism in things he has said in the past? Or is it just that he is associated with football and you associate football with racism? I know there is racism in football, but there is also anti-racism.
I suspect he made a foolish "football fan joke" that he knew would appeal to "the lads", in an unguarded moment. I suspect that the nature of "the joke" indicates at least an endemic racism present in many of us British. I suspect that he knew his "joke" would cause a media frenzy and thus publicity (all of which is good to such slebs) but that he underestimated the degree of frenzy it would cause.
One major cultural aspect of football support in Britain (and elsewhere) is it's use as a vehicle for nationalism, tribalism and racism. This aspect is domnant - far more dominant than any anti-racist element, as anyone can hear in the football chants. There aren't any football chants heard that are anti-racist, are there? Correct me if I'm wrong.
This sort of casual racism is on the rise once more in Britiain, emboldened by the B-farce, the advent of people like Trump and Farage and the catalyst of various social media channels, from twitter and facebook to 4chan.
I may be wrong. There will be several journalists a-digging-oh right now into the life and times of Danny Baker. I really hope I am wrong but ........