pwa wrote: Cugel wrote:
Chelsea are often the butt of chants about their, or their players racism eg "where's your racist centre half"
Manchester city fans boo the champions league anthem (partly) as a result of the risible fine imposed on opposition whose fans racially abused city players.
Football fans are far from perfect, but neither are they universally racist. Just as not all foreign secretaries regard Africans as "picaninnies with watermelon smiles"
Phew - that's a relief! I woz worried that Tommy had suborned every one of them, with his brave haircut.
Still, there's few other places where large numbers regularly emit racist chants, taunts and gestures as a norm. Well, rallies of swivel-eyed white supremacists perhaps. Correct me once more if I'm again wrong.
I did hear a rumour about the fanatics lining the route of Le Tour last July......
Perhaps there's hope and the anti-racist chants will sweep away the banana-throwing hooligans & yobs, back under their dirty old carpet in The Dog & Bone? I suspect not.
You do an injustice to the football supporters who every week try to police the chants of their fellow supporters. When did you last hear Liverpool supporters making monkey chants at a black opposition player? There is some real social change going on there and you should have the generosity of spirit to recognise it, rather than just thinking the worst of people. Most of the racial abuse from football supporters these days is at foreign clubs.
My dislike of football culture, in the form of the ubiquitous fan, has a long personal history, which I won't bore you with. However, I doubt if you'll want to deny that football supporting has been, and still is, a vehicle for many of the most egregious behaviours of the population at large. Football supporting has always contained a large (once overwhelming) portion of the most intolerant and violent attitudes within our country. A yob culture of racism, homophobia, violent hooliganism and all the rest.
But I do recognise that there are efforts by supporters themselves to change this extremely poor (but perhaps deserved) reputation. Here's an interesting piece about efforts to reduce, or at least oppose, another football crowd norm: that of rabid homophobia:https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/ ... c74afed48a
The article gives hope that the sort of football supporter you allude to - a decent person who would like to enjoy the sport without finding themselves in the midst of a huge gang of far right Tommies - is at least trying to oppose the various hooligan elements. But the article also notes just how hard that is; and a lack of success in many places, including the local club level.
It may be an over-sentitivity on my part, but all my own experience of football supporting (including that local club level stuff) is that it's full of intolerance of every kind, often spilling over into hatred and violence if challenged. It would be very nice if that were changing for the better but every indication is that it's actually getting worse - or re-emerging - under our present frenzied political circumstances.
The Danny Baker incident seems a sign of the times. He can't have been unaware of the implications of his "joke", no matter his protestations now he himself is under the cosh. My suspicion (and that of many others) is that he had somehow come to think that this sort of "humour" was once more legitimate, as it was all through his early decades as a person with "a deep love of the game", a euphemism oft-used by those hankering after many football supporter's desire for the days of old when one could call a spade anything he liked, so to speak.