Dying for a chance to summit . . . Everest !

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Re: Dying for a chance to summit . . . Everest !

Postby Bonefishblues » 25 May 2019, 2:40pm

Why not Sagarmatha half the time?

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Re: Dying for a chance to summit . . . Everest !

Postby Mike Sales » 26 May 2019, 9:21am

There is an interesting, informed article in The Observer by Peter Beaumont.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/26/i-wont-be-joining-queue-everest-overcrowding-summit

The commercialisation of the mountain has enabled people who should not be there to get into danger. You are, as others have said, essentially on your own at that altitude, and need to have true mountaineering skills, such as judgement, and the knowledge of when to turn back, in order to have the best chance of surviving.
That it is the peak bagging mentality which motivates, not the love of climbing and high places, is shown by the relative emptiness of the neighbouring Nuptse and Lhotse, and a host of other beautiful, challenging peaks.
The competence to climb even the SE ridge of Everest is bought by experience on a succession of lesser peaks, not by paying.

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Re: Dying for a chance to summit . . . Everest !

Postby Lance Dopestrong » 26 May 2019, 9:58am

Blimey, and I though OS market bagging was a dangerous pass time! :lol:
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Re: Dying for a chance to summit . . . Everest !

Postby reohn2 » 26 May 2019, 10:57am

The crowds on Everest show everything that's wrong with the human race IMO,see some beautiful inaccessible place and turn it into a theme park :?
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Re: Dying for a chance to summit . . . Everest !

Postby Bonefishblues » 26 May 2019, 11:02am

Featuring on Cerys Matthews' show on 6Music at the moment (being the anniversary of first ascent)

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Re: Dying for a chance to summit . . . Everest !

Postby mercalia » 26 May 2019, 11:12am

reohn2 wrote:The crowds on Everest show everything that's wrong with the human race IMO,see some beautiful inaccessible place and turn it into a theme park :?


do they get a certificate saying they did it? or have their name put on a plaque at the top? or does that cost something extra? 8)

I understand why adventerous souls want to go where no one has gone before, but when every one uncle tom cobley and all has been...

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Re: Dying for a chance to summit . . . Everest !

Postby Mike Sales » 26 May 2019, 11:15am

mercalia wrote:
reohn2 wrote:The crowds on Everest show everything that's wrong with the human race IMO,see some beautiful inaccessible place and turn it into a theme park :?


do they get a certificate saying they did it? or have their name put on a plaque at the top? or does that cost something extra? 8)


They put it on Facebook, or even Skype from the summit.

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Re: Dying for a chance to summit . . . Everest !

Postby PH » 26 May 2019, 11:57am

Mike Sales wrote:That it is the peak bagging mentality which motivates, not the love of climbing and high places, is shown by the relative emptiness of the neighbouring Nuptse and Lhotse, and a host of other beautiful, challenging peaks.

That mentality is the same everywhere, though not usually so life threatening. You have to queue most summer weekends to stand at the top of Snowdon while many neighbouring peaks are deserted, yet when we had a works outing no one would consider anything else...
Are we cyclists any different? Lands End to John O'Groats is very popular but unlikely to be the best UK route of that distance.

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Re: Dying for a chance to summit . . . Everest !

Postby mercalia » 26 May 2019, 12:10pm

PH wrote:
Mike Sales wrote:That it is the peak bagging mentality which motivates, not the love of climbing and high places, is shown by the relative emptiness of the neighbouring Nuptse and Lhotse, and a host of other beautiful, challenging peaks.

That mentality is the same everywhere, though not usually so life threatening. You have to queue most summer weekends to stand at the top of Snowdon while many neighbouring peaks are deserted, yet when we had a works outing no one would consider anything else...
Are we cyclists any different? Lands End to John O'Groats is very popular but unlikely to be the best UK route of that distance.


aleast in the cyclists case you wont have to queue up, there is some thing dispiriting to see every one is there? is there just one way to do the Lands end thing? does every one follow the same route or have to make their own? I would assume in the mt case every one is plodding the same route? maybe cut steps into the rock and number them - only 200 to go :D

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Re: Dying for a chance to summit . . . Everest !

Postby Mike Sales » 26 May 2019, 12:19pm

mercalia wrote: I would assume in the mt case every one is plodding the same route?


There are many routes up Sagarmatha now, but nearly all guided climbs use the South Col, S.E. Ridge route, from Nepal. Nowadays the North East Ridge is used to climb Chomolungma from the Tibetan side, I suppose the Chinese like the tourist money.

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Re: Dying for a chance to summit . . . Everest !

Postby PH » 26 May 2019, 12:31pm

mercalia wrote:at least in the cyclists case you wont have to queue up, there is some thing dispiriting to see every one is there? is there just one way to do the Lands end thing? does every one follow the same route or have to make their own? I would assume in the mt case every one is plodding the same route? maybe cut steps into the rock and number them - only 200 to go :D

Yes, there's many differences, my point was specifically about the similar mentality.

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Re: Dying for a chance to summit . . . Everest !

Postby RickH » 26 May 2019, 3:36pm

hondated wrote:
mercalia wrote:seems like people queue up, like at a bus stop, to get to the top of Everest these days. seems pointless to me ( and dangerous it seems )

everest.JPG

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-48401491


How do you know its Everest :?

It could just be the back of the queue to submit applications to be leader of the Conservative Party! :twisted:

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Re: Dying for a chance to summit . . . Everest !

Postby hondated » 26 May 2019, 3:58pm

RickH wrote:
hondated wrote:
mercalia wrote:seems like people queue up, like at a bus stop, to get to the top of Everest these days. seems pointless to me ( and dangerous it seems )

everest.JPG

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-48401491


How do you know its Everest :?

It could just be the back of the queue to submit applications to be leader of the Conservative Party! :twisted:

:lol: Got me forgot about that. I think you could be right.

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Re: Dying for a chance to summit .. Chomolungma !

Postby brynpoeth » 26 May 2019, 4:29pm

Upgrade to Brocken-Benno of Wernigerode, Germany
He has vanquished the same hill thousands of times
Boring? Nein! There are so many different routes, weather, colours, vegetation changes, why, one even meets people and has enough breath to talk to them, unlike on Chomolungma :wink:

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Re: Dying for a chance to summit . . . Everest !

Postby mattheus » 26 May 2019, 4:35pm

PH wrote:
mercalia wrote:at least in the cyclists case you wont have to queue up, there is some thing dispiriting to see every one is there? is there just one way to do the Lands end thing? does every one follow the same route or have to make their own? I would assume in the mt case every one is plodding the same route? maybe cut steps into the rock and number them - only 200 to go :D

Yes, there's many differences, my point was specifically about the similar mentality.


I agree that the mentality is much the same. If there was a 1-road bottle-neck near Lands End I'm sure riders would happily all use it. (look at the LEJOG board here - how many are asking for " less well-trod route advice please!" )

We can knock the wealthy Everest customers for many reasons, but I very much doubt they WANT to queue; they want the safest most practical route, in the safest weather window. A large proportion come up from a different flippin country to the "hordes" :P